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Dan “Rudy” Ruettiger and Gregg Roman

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In an as-aired Total Celebrity segment of the show’s “Just Two Choices” feature, co-hosted with Rico Rokowski, the guest is Dan “Rudy” Ruettiger, the Notre Dame walk-on whose story inspired the classic film Rudy. One of fourteen children from a working-class family in Joliet, Illinois, Ruettiger recounts how he grew up being told he was too small and not smart enough to play college football, and how the death of a close friend became the turning point that pushed him to chase the dream anyway. He describes grinding through Holy Cross College to earn the grades to transfer to Notre Dame, walking on to the practice squad, and finally dressing for the last home game of his senior season, where his teammates carried him off the field after a late sack. Ruettiger frames the lesson as the power of persistence, heart, and refusing to let other people define your limits, and he talks about carrying that message forward through the Walk-On Association, which he founded to encourage others to pursue their own goals with the same grit. Find him and the Walk-On Association at walkonassociation.com.

Neil closes the hour with a policy conversation with Gregg Roman, executive director of the Middle East Forum, a Philadelphia-based think tank founded in 1994 that studies American interests in the Middle East and related national-security questions. Roman discusses the Forum’s mission of educating the public and policymakers, and shares his own assessment of the threats he sees to Western societies from extremist and non-state actors, touching on figures and groups tied to past terrorism and on legislation such as the National Defense Authorization Act. These are his own views and the Forum’s perspective on contested geopolitical and policy questions, offered as analysis rather than settled fact, and reasonable observers disagree on both the diagnosis and the proposed responses. He encourages listeners who want to learn more about the organization’s research and positions to visit its website. Find the Middle East Forum at meforum.org.

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