Conditional Immortality and the Soul with William Tanksley Jr.

Due to the common idea that to be a conditionalist you must believe in soul sleep (see carm.org's refutations of conditionalism) or a physicalist (soul and body are a united whole and never separate) I have asked William to join me in discussing how dualists think of Hell and the soul. William contributes to Rethinking Hell and is writing a paper on a conditionalist reading of Revelation with Chris Date. You can see some of the work here: http://independent.academia.edu/WilliamTanksleyJrFor some of William's writings go to: http://rethinkinghell.com/author/william-tanksley/To see more of the backstory of this channel, go here: https://thehellproject.substack.com/p/the-back-storyI do this for free and am very happy to continue to do so to the extent that my videos will not be monetised if my youtube ever grows that big. If you'd like to support what I do or just stay up to date with the resources I create you can do so at my website: https://thehellproject.online#soul #theology #hell Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

Joseph Dear has written 'The Bible Teaches Annihilationism' (https://amzn.to/3cEzl5L) an extensive look at not only what the bible teaches, but church history and responses to traditional and universalist arguments. Joseph has contributed a lot of time and study to the topic and much of what he has written can also be found at the Rethinking Hell website or at his own blog here:https://www.3ringbinder.org/For Joseph's contributions go to: http://rethinkinghell.com/author/jose...To see more of the backstory of this channel, go to http://thehellproject.online:I do this for free and am very happy to continue to do so to the extent that my videos will not be monetised if my youtube ever grows that big. If you'd like to support what I do or just stay up to date with the resources I create you can do so at my website. Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

Dan Page changed his mind from believing and teaching Eternal Conscious Torment to Conditionalism. We discuss why.We reference a note that Dan posted on his Facebook page. You can see it here with some edits to fit in the description:“This rather lengthy post is primarily for my friends who call themselves Christians. ... Since the beginning of my relationship with God I’ve often heard people say something along the lines of, “the Bible says everyone is going to live forever in one of two places.” I’m now quite sure that’s not at all what the Bible says. The primary picture the scriptures paint is one of eternal life (eternally alive & preserved) in heaven or eternal death (eternally dead & destroyed) in hell. I’m not trying to stir up discord or cause division. Nor am I saying that hell isn’t real. Of course it is. Jesus said,“Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” (Matthew 10:28)When we bring the most honest hermeneutic we can to the scriptures, being committed to letting them speak to us rather than us telling them what we think they say, that’s when we find ourselves more able to discover what the truth truly is. No matter how long any individual, church or religious organization has believed anything, it doesn’t make it right or mean it’s true. I remember the cognitive dissonance with which I wrestled as I began questioning ECT. As I’ve continued to read & study the Bible being honest about what never seemed compatible with believing that love & justice would allow for let alone require ECT, it’s come to this: doesn’t inviting someone who never asked to exist to consider & respond to the good news communicated & confirmed in the gospel & person of Jesus Christ all the while having to include the reality of eternal conscious torment in a fiery hell if they refuse His gift of eternal life create its own cognitive dissonance? God is good & He is love & in His image He created every human being who was, is & will ever be? Yet the overwhelming majority of humanity will be tormented if not tortured eternally? Where, even once (yes, once), in the entirety of the Old Testament or the Book of Acts or any of the letters written by Paul, Peter or James does anything even hinting at ECT appear? ... If it isn’t & someone’s rejecting God because of it, then it's not God they’re rejecting but a distorted & disfigured caricature of Him.There is no doubt whatsoever that the misinterpretation of scripture leads to the misrepresentation of God. While some will say that’s exactly what I’m doing here concerning this, obviously I would beg to differ. The bottom line is that I am trying to expose as clearly as I can that which I’ve come to see is an absolutely humungous misunderstanding concerning immortality being something anyone has who has not yet received the gift of eternal life in Christ (Genesis 2:16-17 / Matthew 7:13-14 / John 3:16 / Romans 6:23 / 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 / 2 Timothy 1:10 / 1 John 5:11-12).Knowing that how we look at what we see very much influences what it is we see, I do have to say I see the scriptural support for conditional immortality far outweighs that for eternal conscious torment. May whatever the truth is always be our passion & prize. May we always be willing to say “I was wrong” about anything & anyone, including the Bible & God, whenever the need to do so arises. The best questions to ask about whatever the Bible addresses are what does this actually say & what does it truly mean? This includes being aware of context historically, culturally & geographically. It requires being willing & able to acknowledge & address the difference between metaphor, hyperbole, symbolism, allusion & imagery, etc. Is something timely or timeless? Is it a promise, a proverb or a principle / a moral, civil or ceremonial law / a commandment, exhortation or observation? Is a verse or passage primarily descriptive or prescriptive? What are the implications of the Old Testament being written in Hebrew & the New Testament in Greek especially as it pertains to how it is we translate them into whatever other language it may be that we happen to speak?If you are wondering about the veracity of conditional immortality, I cannot recommend these online resources highly enough. They have helped me immensely in my search for the truth concerning hell: http://rethinkinghell.com/, https://www.youtube.com/thehellproject & https://www.conditionalimmortality.org. ...Dan Page”To see more of the backstory of this channel, go here:https://thehellproject.substack.com/p/the-back-storyI do this for free and am very happy to continue to do so to the extent that my videos will not be monetised if my youtube ever grows that big. If you'd like to support what I do or just stay up to date with the resources I create you can do so here:https://thehellproject.substack.com/#biblestudy #theology #hell Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

Having started this channel I have made a few friends from around the world who have also come to view conditionalism due to scripture. Michael Pearce is one such friend and we're going to be discussing 10 reasons people won't burn in hell forever. To see more of the backstory of this channel, go here:I do this for free and am very happy to continue to do so to the extent that my videos will not be monetised if my youtube ever grows that big. If you'd like to support what I do or just stay up to date with the resources I create you can do so here: https://thehellproject.substack.com/#biblestudy #theology #hell Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

John Tancock has a lot of experience with evangelism and apologetics and has been engaging with both since his late teens. He has contributed to a number of apologetics leaflets and written articles for Premier Christianity and appeared on Premier Radio. He headed up the Rethinking Hell conference in London in 2016. He is a fascinating bloke as can be seen in his Premier blurb: 'JT' was born in a pub, has led and planted a number of churches and has worked in apologetics since his teens. He regularly travels to Zambia, where he indulges himself in Bible teaching and his love of ants (yes, ants).  This conversation is about JT's Christian walk, how his view on hell has impacted his faith and relationship with other Christians. We will also look into how hell impacts evangelism and apologetics.  For some of JT's writings on apologetics: https://petersbrook.com/collections/understanding-series  For JT's blog: http://jtsblogspot.blogspot.com/  For other resources and scripts to non-live videos from me, see the website: https://thehellproject.substack.com/If you want to buy me a coffee you can pay for a subscription on substack or use Paypal here: https://PayPal.me/philduncalfe Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

I spoke from Psalm 37 on the 5th of September 2021 as part of a series on Psalms in my previous church. It is a Psalm which I find brings clarity to the hope that Christians can have, even in suffering, and why even God's judgement is good news. You can watch it on YouTube, or read the script here: The Hell Project's SubstackThe script isn't always what I've said as I can tend to go off script every now and then...  #hell #judgement #hope Want to hear more about the view before the videos come out? Check out my substack:https://thehellproject.substack.com/ Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

Chris Date has been engaging with the hell debate for a number of years having edited the book, Rethinking Hell (https://amzn.to/2Tlt60g) and become the face of Rethinking Hell Live on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/user/rethinkinghell). We'll be chatting about hell, the book of Revelation and whatever else comes up in the course of the conversation.   Chris references an article he has written (but gave two titles in the chat) here: http://www.stephenjbedard.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/HRV6-Hell.pdfFor other resources and scripts to non-live videos see the website: https://thehellproject.onlineFor more on Rethinking Hell, their blog, podcasts and conference go to: https://rethinkinghell.com#Revelation #hell #conditionalimmortality  I do this for free and am very happy to continue to do so to the extent that my videos will not be monetised if my youtube ever grows that big. If you'd like to buy my a coffee or donate to the channel, you can do so through paypal: paypal.me/philduncalfe. Alternatively use fountain.fm and both donate and earn Bitcoin while you listen!Timeline: 0:00 Introduction and summary of video3:00 Chris shares his testimony10:30 Chris shares his journey to rethinking hell21:28 Phil shares his journey in rethinking hell28:12 Chris gives a summary of the conditionalist view of Revelation 14 verse 1136:29 Follow up and conversation on Revelation 1438:00 Engagement with GK Beale's (traditional view of hell) commentary on Revelation 1442:00 Why is eternal torment used to symbolise destruction?43:50 What does Revelation 14 verse 11 mean by 'have no rest'?47:00 More engagement with GK Beale's defense of the traditional view of Revelation 1449:30 What does smoke represent?50:30 Is annihilation a soft punishment? People obviously seek death when faced with great suffering.  58:40 A look at Revelation 20:10-151:14:00 A look at the definition of death1:21:00 Final question and conclusions Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

The original article I am responding to is here: https://www.baptiststandard.com/opinion/voices/best-understanding-hell  I don't know much about Joshua Sharp but would be happy to interact if for some reason this little live stream gets back to him.  This is a fairly easy going article and treats CI/Annihilationism fairly well but I thought I'd respond to it as I needed to test out some new tech I had at the time.For other resources and scripts to non-live videos see the website: https://thehellproject.substack.com/If you want to buy me a coffee or support what I do, you can pay for a substack subscription or donate here: https://PayPal.me/philduncalfe or just listen to this on the fountain.fm app. Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

I was asked to respond to a video by Dr James White on Alpha & Omega Ministries and host of The Dividing Line show. You can find Dr White's video here: https://youtu.be/4-Kclj_vN48 #hell #judgement #christianity Want to hear more about the view before the videos come out? Check out https://thehellproject.online for the backstory and scripts from the videos.  If you want to buy me a coffee or help pay for some website costs you can do so here: https://PayPal.me/philduncalfe or just listen to this on the fountain.fm app. Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe

Dr Glenn Peoples and I will be discussing Conditional Immortality, a bit of its history and what direction the debate over hell seems to be taking since Dr Peoples started engaging with it several years ago. Dr Glenn Peoples has been blogging online at rightreason.org for going on 16 years now. He has discussed a wide range of topics covering philosophy of religion, philosophy of mind, biblicial hermeneutics and various  others. He has also written a huge amount in the defense of Conditional Immortality including a dialogue with one of the foremost defenders of the traditional view, Robert Peterson (he engaged with Edward Fudge in the book Two Views of Hell - https://amzn.to/2MC3qrZ). Dr Peoples is also one of the main contributors to the Rethinking Hell Ministry and some of his talks and presentations can be found across youtube. His letter to traditionalist friends is well worth a read for anyone who is looking to engage in this conversation. To read it, go here: http://www.rightreason.org/article/theology/open-letter-traditionalist-friends.pdf   For other resources and scripts to non-live videos see the website: https://thehellproject.substack.com#hell #conditionalimmortality #christianityFor other resources and scripts to non-live videos from me, see the website: https://thehellproject.substack.com/If you want to buy me a coffee you can pay for a subscription on substack or use Paypal here: https://PayPal.me/philduncalfe Get full access to The Grace Paradigm at thegraceparadigm.substack.com/subscribe