'Superman' vs. 'The Fantastic Four: First Steps' – Can the DCU and MCU Save Superheroes?
Kelsi and Trey are back to discuss superheroes: we break down James Gunn’s Superman and Marvel’s Fantastic Four: First Steps, two attempts to reboot tired franchises with sincerity and with varying results. First, we dive into Gunn’s earnest, squirrel-saving cutie Superman, Corenswet’s surprising star turn, and the film’s big ideas about media and occupation. Then we get into Fantastic Four's gorgeous retro-futurist world, Julia Garner’s ethereal Silver Surfer, and a script that feels like it was written by four sitcom dads. Plus: summer movie shout-outs (Sorry Baby, Friendship, I Know What You Did Last Summer, Jurassic World: Rebirth), our superhero fatigue, and our hopes for a live-action Miles Morales and Batman Beyond. Patreon link below! Free episodes unlocked—including our 4-hour The Batman deep dive.
Superman (15:00)
Fantastic Four (01:13:15)
2025 Summer of Movies (02:02:40)
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