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Can you understand a tyrant?

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What makes a man devote his life to the institution that imprisoned his father? Xi Jinping’s childhood raises a question whose consequences now extend far beyond the family in which it began.

Lucy Hornby has spent years trying to understand that journey. She lived in China for twenty years, reporting for Reuters and serving as the Financial Times’ deputy Beijing bureau chief. Her investigation into the ownership of HNA won the Society of Publishers in Asia’s award for excellence in business reporting. Her forthcoming book, The Last Man, examines Xi’s life and rise to power.

We begin in 1995, when a young woman from New Jersey went to teach English in Wuhan. She remembers the curiosity of strangers and a colleague whose wicked humor could be conveyed by a glance. Those encounters give human dimensions to a country we often discuss as an abstraction.

We talk about Xi’s childhood, the persecution of the Uyghurs, fentanyl, TikTok, and whether rivalry between America and China must lead to war. I ask how a leader might explain cruelty to himself, and what a Chinese version of me would want to know about America.

You will leave with a clearer understanding of Xi’s psychology, the country he governs, and the assumptions Americans bring to both. You may also find yourself wondering how much of our certainty about other people depends on never having sat across a table from them. That distance matters when the people we misunderstand have the power to reshape our lives.



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