Is My Pain Coming From My Brain? Dr. Howard Schubiner

A hard start in life can still be shaping your gut decades later.What will surprise you is that your gut microbes can sense when you are stressed, and they change how they treat your gut wall.➡ Full show notes + resourcesDr. Aimie speaks with Dr. Emeran Mayer, gastroenterologist, neuroscientist and Distinguished Research Professor at UCLA, about how early life stress reaches the gut, the immune system and the brain. He explains increased stress responsiveness, his term for how a difficult birth or childhood becomes biology, and why it does not mean you are doomed.They also talk about why brain fog may start in the gut, the mucus layer that protects the gut wall, and the foods that help it, from diverse fiber to fermented foods.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:00:00 – 00:38  Introduction00:38 – 02:44  The First 1,000 Days02:44 – 06:31  Early Stress Doesn't Mean You're Doomed06:31 – 08:44  Hard Births and Stress Responsiveness08:44 – 10:56  How Early Stress Shows Up in the Gut10:56 – 14:27  Your Gut Microbes Can Sense Stress14:27 – 17:28  From Gut to Brain: LPS and Brain Fog17:28 – 19:17  The Gut's Protective Mucus Layer19:17 – 21:42  The Interconnected Plate21:42 – 24:01  Why Food Diversity Matters24:01 – 26:46  Foods That Protect the Mucus Layer26:46 – 30:13  Dr. Mayer's Key Message30:13 – 31:12  Closing Reflection and Stress or Trauma Guide"When a gut microbe is exposed to the stress hormone norepinephrine, it changes its genes and becomes more aggressive toward the bowel wall." ~ Dr. Emeran MayerIf you had a difficult birth or a stressful childhood and have lived with gut symptoms or brain fog for years, this episode is for you.RESOURCES:Get the free Stress or Trauma Guide and learn the physical difference between a stress response and a trauma response in under two minutes.Get The Biology of Trauma book. Chapter 11 explains how early life shapes the filter through which the body meets every later stress.The Mind-Gut Connection by Dr. Emeran Mayer.This episode is educational and is not medical advice. Please work with your own qualified healthcare provider for decisions about your care.  Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

Emotions held down for decades are still shaping your body.What will surprise you is that the way back can start very small, even with one finger.This is Part 2 of a two-part conversation. Part 1 is here.➡ Full show notes + resources➡Trauma Pattern Quiz: https://draimie.co/4jIXc9VDr. Aimie continues her conversation with Dr. Howard Schubiner, internist, Clinical Professor at Michigan State and an early mentor of hers. He describes what changes in the body when an emotion held down for decades is finally felt and expressed, and why safety and self-compassion make that possible.They talk about why neuroplastic symptoms are reversible, how compassion, curiosity and calm answer the question pain is asking, and where to start when your capacity is very low.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:00:00 What changes when buried emotions are finally felt?01:14 What does it mean that neuroplastic symptoms are reversible?03:36 How does the nervous system learn its default response?04:31 What changes in the body when emotions are expressed?07:15 How do you make it safe to feel buried emotions?10:37 How can compassion, curiosity and calm change pain?13:49 Where do you start when capacity is very low?18:23 How do you train the nervous system with patience?20:45 Why ask whether your symptoms are neuroplastic?22:29 How can you see your own patterns of stored emotions?"Sadness turns right into compassion. Anger gets expressed, and you let it go." ~ Dr. Howard SchubinerIf you have held your emotions down for years and wonder whether it is safe to feel them, this episode is for you.RESOURCES:Take the free 2-Minute Assessment for Stored Trauma and see which patterns of stored trauma are most active for you.Get The Biology of Trauma book. Chapter 3 explains capacity and the critical line of overwhelm.Unlearn Your Pain by Dr. Howard Schubiner.The Foundational Journey, a clear path for stabilizing your internal state and nervous system.This episode is educational and is not medical advice. Please work with your own qualified healthcare provider for decisions about your care.  Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

➡ Full show notes + resources➡Trauma Pattern quiz: Pain that no test has fully explained is still real pain.What will surprise you is that the brain decides whether to turn on pain, and it treats emotional danger from childhood or from an unjust world as danger.This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation Dr. Aimie welcomes back Dr. Howard Schubiner, internist, Clinical Professor at Michigan State and author of Unlearn Your Pain. He describes how a child who learned to keep the peace grows into an adult whose brain still reacts to everyday stress as danger, and why he sees racism and injustice as sources of pain.They talk about why chronic pain, fatigue and POTS keep rising while the body has not changed, why neuroplastic symptoms are real and reversible, and how someone with rheumatoid arthritis can carry both structural and neuroplastic pain.Trauma Pattern quiz: WHAT YOU’LL LEARN:00:00 Why would the brain create pain?02:02 Can emotional pain cause physical pain?04:23 How does a childhood without safety become pain later?07:32 Can racism and injustice cause chronic pain?10:08 Why are chronic pain, fatigue and POTS becoming more common?14:37 Can rheumatoid arthritis pain be neuroplastic?18:27 How can the nervous system learn it is safe?“Not all pain is due to injury. It’s our job to sort it out because emotional pain can cause physical pain, and that’s a fact. And that’s how we’re wired.” ~ Dr. Howard SchubinerIf you live with pain that no test has fully explained, this episode is for you.RESOURCES:Take the free 2-Minute Assessment for Stored Trauma and see which patterns of stored trauma are most active for you.Get The Biology of Trauma book.Unlearn Your Pain by Dr. Howard Schubiner.The Foundational Journey, a clear path for stabilizing your internal state and nervous system.This episode is educational and is not medical advice. Please work with your own qualified healthcare provider for decisions about your care.➡ Full show notes + resources   Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

➡ Full show notes + resources You react to everything. You want to find the cause and get rid of it.What will surprise you is that the most common place people start, binders, chelation or a mold detox, may be the very thing that makes a reactive body worse.This is Part 2 of a two-part conversation. Part 1 is here: Apple · Spotify · show notes.Dr. Aimie and Dr. Bruce Hoffman talk about where to start when the body reacts to everything. Dr. Hoffman shares the order he used for 30 years with his most complex patients: safety first, then daylight and natural rhythms, self-regulation, POTS, and then calming the mast cells, with binders, chelation and mold treatment much later.They also cover which medications calm mast cells, why supplements alone rarely do, how to tell a Herxheimer reaction from a mast cell reaction, and why mast cell labs so often come back normal.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:00:00 Where do you start when your body reacts to everything?02:57 Why does safety come first for highly reactive patients?04:03 What are the health cycle principles?06:48 What order did Dr. Hoffman use with his most complex patients?08:11 How do you stabilize mast cells beyond histamine?10:50 Can supplements stabilize mast cells?12:45 Why not start with binders or antibiotics?16:19 Herxheimer or mast cell reaction: how can you tell?19:29 What is a therapeutic trial?21:11 Why wait 3 to 6 months before chelation?"I never approached the toxic load until I've got them stabilized in the health cycle principles, self-regulation, POTS, and mast cells." — Dr. Bruce HoffmanIf you have tried detox after detox and your body only gets more reactive, this episode is for you.RESOURCES:Get the free Companion Guide to Mast Cell Reactivity. Every term and medication from this conversation explained in plain words, in the order it comes up. [Swap for the tracked Apple show notes link, campaign ep198-stabilize-mast-cells, needs a Lead Magnet Inventory row]Get The Biology of Trauma book. Chapter 12 lays out the biology lens that follows this same sequence. [VERIFY chapter]Dr. Bruce Hoffman’s website and his Substack, The New Medical Curriculum.The Foundational Journey, a clear path for stabilizing your internal state and nervous system.This episode is educational and is not medical advice. Please work with your own qualified healthcare provider for decisions about your care.➡ Full show notes + resources   Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

 Full show notes + resources[COMPANION GUIDE NAME]: Every term from this conversation explained in plain words, in the order it comes up.First it was one food. Now it is smells, supplements, heat and stress, and the list keeps growing.What will surprise you is that mast cells respond to your total load, and a sensitized system can react to the thought of a trigger alone.This is Part 1 of a two-part conversation. [Part 2 is here: EP 198 LINK]Dr. Aimie sits down with Dr. Bruce Hoffman, who spent 30 years treating highly reactive, complex chronically ill patients. He explains why stress, from early trauma or daily life, is the largest trigger of mast cell activation he sees, and why the trigger list grows as toxins, processed food and indoor living add to the load.Dr. Aimie breaks down the cell danger response, the footprint childhood trauma leaves as oxidative damage, and the two-way loop that keeps mast cells and the nervous system setting each other off.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:00:00 Why are so many people reacting to everything?02:52 How does early childhood trauma load the mast cells?05:39 What is the cell danger response?09:16 Why does childhood trauma show up as oxidative damage today?12:32 Why does the trigger list keep getting longer?14:39 What sets the threshold for mast cell activation?17:58 Can mast cells react to a threat that is only predicted?22:19 How do mast cells keep the nervous system on alert?24:10 Why do people react to the supplements meant to help them?27:21 Why does a roadmap create safety?"You don't even have to have the threat. You can just think about it and your mast cells degranulate." — Dr. Bruce HoffmanIf you react to more foods, smells and supplements every year and no one can tell you why, this episode is for you.RESOURCES:Get the free [COMPANION GUIDE NAME]. Every term from this conversation explained in plain words, in the order it comes upGet The Biology of Trauma book. Chapter 4 covers the cell danger responseNever Bet Against Occam by Dr. Lawrence Afrin   Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

➡ Full show notes + resources: 2 Min Assessment:In this solo episode, Dr. Aimie explains what dysregulation actually is and why it never exists on its own. She walks through the patterns of stored trauma that feed it, and the four questions you can use to tell whether your nervous system is healing.She also shares why children's nervous systems change faster than adults', what a patient in the ICU taught her about changing slowly, and why biology is the most neglected piece of nervous system repair.WHAT YOU'LL LEARN00:00 Intro: How Long Does Healing Take?02:06 How the Nervous System Responds to Change03:52 Overreacting, Underreacting, and Responding06:26 Why Dysregulation Can't Create Health08:14 The Five Steps of the Body's Trauma Response10:57 Stuck in the Body Trauma Loop12:35 Dissociation and Immobilization15:03 Energy Conservation and Depletion16:58 Why Dysregulation Never Happens Alone18:49 The Fifth Pattern: When Trauma Becomes Disease21:48 The Time Factor: Why Healing Takes Longer for Adults25:53 Why Change Must Be Paced: A Lesson from the ICU27:37 The Biology Piece: How to Accelerate Healing29:35 Free Assessment and Closing"The longer that the nervous system has lived this way, the slower that change has to go in order for the nervous system to integrate that change over time." — Dr. Aimie ApigianIf you have been working on your healing for years and cannot tell whether any of it is working, this episode is for you.RESOURCES:Take the free 2-Minute Assessment for Stored Trauma. Get a picture of your patterns now, so you have something to measure your healing against. Get The Biology of Trauma book. The fifth pattern, disease, is in Chapter 10, When Trauma Becomes Disease.This episode is educational and is not medical advice. Please work with your own qualified healthcare provider for decisions about your care. ➡ Full show notes + resources:  Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

Your labs keep coming back acceptable. Your symptoms keep getting harder to hold. And you have probably landed on one of two conclusions: either something is wrong with you that nobody has found yet, or something is wrong with how you are handling it.I want to offer a third.Full show notes Three things change at the same time in this decade, and each one is invisible on its own.Your immune baseline was set decades before perimenopause. Estrogen, which your immune system has been reading as an instruction every day for years, stops declining in a straight line and starts swinging. And cortisol, which is one of the most powerful anti-inflammatory signals your body makes, stops being received even while your body is producing more of it.That third one is why a normal lab result can be a false negative. The all clear is being sent. It is not landing.In this episode I walk through all three, and I translate the research into language you can use with your own provider. I also tell you why I stopped calculating ACE scores, what a hazard ratio actually means when you read one about your own health, and what has to be stabilized before anything else will hold.Perimenopause does not create the autoimmunity. It does not create the pattern either. It removes the margin that had been holding that pattern quietly, which is why it feels like it arrived out of nowhere.In this episode:Why a cortisol test can read normal while inflammation gets worseThe four immune control points estrogen sits atWhy unpredictable estrogen costs more than declining estrogenWhat "seventy percent increased risk" really meansWhy I stopped calculating ACE scoresWhat has to come first, and why most people start at the wrong endResources:Take the free 2-Minute Assessment for Stored Trauma: https://biologyoftrauma.scoreapp.com/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast_audio&utm_campaign=ep195-autoimmunity-perimenopause&utm_content=show-notesThe Biology of Trauma by Dr. Aimie Apigian: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1637746237?tag=draimie-20Full show notes: https://www.biologyoftrauma.com/post/episode-195-why-autoimmune-symptoms-get-worse-in-perimenopauseFull show notes  Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

I do not ask about your past. I do not get out the checklist of adverse childhood experiences. I am not calculating your ACE score. And I know how strange that sounds coming from a physician who works with stored trauma.Full show notesWhat I look at is the impact of your past on your today, because that is where it is still leaving its footprint.In this episode I walk you through the assessment I teach practitioners, so you can run it on yourself. Three domains, one repeating pattern, and the equation that decides whether a stressor stays a stress or tips you into overwhelm.Then I take you to the part that surprises people most. Trauma work runs on energy. If your body does not have the capacity, the work cannot integrate no matter how willing you are. Which means the most useful place to start is sometimes sleep, or brain inflammation, rather than the trauma itself. That is still trauma work.I also tell you about the pattern I carried for thirty years, and how it changed without me ever going looking for the reason.In this episode:Why the word trauma gets in the way of finding traumaThe three domains I ask about, and the one pattern that runs through all of themYour capacity against your stress load, and what happens when capacity is smallWhere stress ends and overwhelm beginsWhy perimenopause costs more capacity than most women expectThe nervous system dashboard, and the three things that feed itWhy I sometimes tell someone not to do the trauma work yetHow to find your biggest block without handing yourself the whole listFind your pattern: Take the free 2-Minute Assessment for Stored Trauma The book: The Biology of Trauma by Dr. Aimie ApigianFull show notesThis podcast is educational and is not medical advice. Consult your own physician about your health.  Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

Your labs confirmed the autoimmune diagnosis. The hardest symptom turned out to be the one nobody prepared you for. Dr. Aimie goes solo on depression and autoimmunity, and which one actually comes first. The answer is less orderly than the one most people are given, and it changes what to do about it. ➡️ Full show notes and research: CLICK HERE Most people are told depression is a reasonable response to being ill. Dr. Aimie interrupts that conclusion with what the research shows: each condition carries close to double the risk of the other, depression turns up in the two years before a diagnosis is made, and roughly a quarter of the link between early adversity and autoimmune disease appears to travel through mental health on the way. She also walks through why this depression rarely feels like sadness, and why the medication may have underperformed. She was on two of them herself, and the hardest part was not the depression. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: 0:00 The hardest symptom of an autoimmune diagnosis 02:41 — Why is depression treated as the reasonable response to a diagnosis? 04:49 — What does double the risk actually mean for you? 07:58 — What is a dose-response pattern and why does it matter? 09:45 — Where does the childhood adversity evidence stop? 12:19 — What does it mean that depression mediates part of the link? 13:54 — What happens when your cells stop responding to cortisol? 15:55 — Why does this feel like the flu rather than sadness? 20:48 — Why has working on your thoughts not moved it? 22:55 — Why do antidepressants underperform here? 24:54 — What does the infliximab trial actually prove? 28:48 — Where do you start when both are running? "Depression is part of the road from I was healthy to I now have an autoimmune diagnosis." — Dr. Aimie Apigian If the antidepressant did not do much and you quietly concluded something was wrong with you, this episode is for you. RESOURCES: Take the FREE 2-Minute Assessment for Discovering Your Pattern of Stored Trauma: You cannot change a pattern you cannot see. Find your primary pattern of responding when life becomes too much, then see how the other four show up. Get The Biology of Trauma: Disease is one of the five patterns of stored trauma. Nothing in this episode is a recommendation to change or stop a medication. Talk to the prescriber who knows your history. This episode is educational and is not medical advice. Please work with your own qualified healthcare provider for decisions about your care. Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma

You have been doing the work. The therapy, the somatic practices, the self-care. And your body still will not come online. You have also been doing the gut protocol. Months of it. And the exhaustion has not lifted. Here is what almost nobody tells you. The thyroid governs gut motility. When it runs low and slow, the bloating and the constipation you have been treating from the gut end may have been downstream of the thyroid the whole time. So you can do everything right, in the right order, and still be working the wrong end of the problem. This is Part 2 with Dr. Amie Hornaman, known as the Thyroid Fixer. She was misdiagnosed six different times in her twenties before anyone found it. In this episode she gets practical about selenium, about which system to start with, and about why she thinks adrenal fatigue is overdiagnosed. She also gives a number for how long before your energy and stress resilience actually shift, with the caveat that belongs beside it. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: Which to treat first when your gut and thyroid are both struggling How a slow thyroid produces constipation, bloating and SIBO The foundational nutrients she starts everyone on, and why selenium leads Why one morning cortisol reading cannot tell you what you think it does How long before energy, mood and stress resilience begin to move The full show notes have the research behind the SIBO connection, every quote from the episode, the chapter list, and the optimal lab ranges to ask about. Read the full show notes: https://www.biologyoftrauma.com/post/gut-or-thyroid-first-when-you-are-in-chronic-freeze RESOURCES:Get the Stress or Trauma GuidePart 1 of this conversation By listening to this podcast, you agree not to use it as medical, psychological, or mental health advice to treat any condition in yourself or others. This podcast is for informational and educational purposes only. Always consult your own qualified health provider. Grab your copy of The Biology of Trauma