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Legal Loopholes and Language Models with Beverly Rich & Renee Meisel

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In this episode of Robots and Red Tape, host Nick Schutt sits down with Renee Meisel, CEO of UnitedLex, and Beverly Rich, VP of AI and Product Innovation at UnitedLex, for a candid conversation on the real-world realities of AI in the legal industry.

From implementation roadblocks and data governance to the future of the billable hour and what AGI could actually mean for lawyers, this discussion cuts through the hype to focus on what’s working, what’s not, and where the industry is headed.

*AI adoption trends and the shift from point solutions to broader platforms

*Why change management and workflow mapping are more important than the technology itself

*Data security, ethical walls, and the hidden risks of poor data organization

*The evolving role of lawyers in an AI-augmented world

* Why services and white-glove implementation matter more than ever

Renee and Beverly share hard-won insights from both law firm and in-house perspectives, including why most AI initiatives stall, how to think about value-based billing, and when (and if) AGI will truly change the game.

Whether you’re in a legal department, law firm, or just trying to cut through the AI hype, this conversation delivers real talk on what it takes to make AI work in the legal space.

Podcast: Robots and Red Tape | Host: Nick Schutt | Subscribe: @RobotsandRedTapeAI

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