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Why Even Gritty People Ask For Help (and How to Situate Yourself With a Support Network) | with Angela Duckworth

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Why do so many ambitious people struggle to achieve their goals despite working tirelessly on their own?

Angela Duckworth is a renowned psychologist, a MacArthur Fellow, and a professor at the University of Pennsylvania. She's also the best-selling author of the megahit Grit as well as her brand new book Situated: Find the People and Places That Bring Out Your Best.

In today's conversation, Angela and I talk about why grit—while an important ingredient of success—isn't enough on its own, and how we have more control over shaping our situations and circumstances than we might think. We explore how important support systems are to build when working towards difficult goals, whether you can still be gritty even if you have a lot of different interests, and why we've perhaps misunderstood Viktor Frankl's vital message about managing and reacting to difficult circumstances.

If you're an artist or creative who's been struggling to do everything on your own, especially if asking for help makes you feel like a burden, this conversation will show you how important it is to surround yourself with peers and mentors, and why even the grittiest people don't go it alone. And trust me, you don't have to either.


Key Takeaways

  • Look beyond grit and ask what kind of support your situation provides. Perseverance matters, but even a determined person can struggle without the right people and support system.
  • Stay devoted to a meaningful pursuit over the long term. Grit is about passion and perseverance over time, returning to your craft consistently rather than relying on natural talent or bursts of enthusiasm.
  • Ask for help again and again, because you never outgrow the need for support. Support is a habit, not scaffolding you take down once you become independent.


Episode Highlights

  • Why individual grit falls short without a strong support system backing it up, as revealed by a 7th grade math struggle
  • What grit really is: passion and perseverance over very long periods, and why it has nothing to do with natural talent
  • Nature versus nurture and how finding the right vocation, pursuit, or hobby can make effort feel different
  • Situational agency and the difference between changing your thoughts and habits and changing the world around you
  • Viktor Frankl’s idea of meaning as being part of and in service to something larger than yourself
  • The case for community, even when your work looks solitary, and why artists benefit from connecting with other people.
  • The one habit successful people share and need to do again and again
  • Peers versus mentors: two kinds of relationships that you need to pursue your goals
  • The value of a small, low-stakes conversation that starts with explaining how someone’s work has genuinely affected you
  • Why AI-written messages leave people feeling unseen, and why effort matters more than polish


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Guest Bio

Angela Duckworth, PhD, is a psychologist, a MacArthur Fellow, and the best-selling author of Grit and Situated. She is the Rosa Lee and Egbert Chang Professor at the University of Pennsylvania and faculty co-director of the Penn-Wharton Behavior Change for Good Initiative. She has advised the World Bank, NBA and NFL teams, and Fortune 500 CEOs, and she co-founded Character Lab, a nonprofit dedicated to advancing scientific insights that help children thrive. Her TED talk is among the most viewed of all time.

Angela's Website

Angela's Books: Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance | Situated: Find the People and Places That Bring Out Your Best

Angela's Facebook | Instagram | Substack | Twitter/X


Show Credits

Edited by: Curtis Fritsch

Published by: Vim Pangantihon

Music by: Thomas Cepeda

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