Two Mikes - Free Trade Doesn’t Work with Ian Fletcher and Marc Fasteau

The Two Mikes today spoke to economists Ian Fletcher and Marc Fasteau (co-authors of the 2025 book Industrial Policy for the United States: Winning the Competition for Good Jobs and High-Value Industries, to discuss their work advocating for a robust U.S. industrial policy to counter decades of free trade failures and revive manufacturing. Key Topics Covered: Trade and Tariffs: They argue that unfettered free trade has hollowed out American industry, benefiting rivals like China through subsidies and barriers. Fletcher and Fasteau endorse strategic tariffs as a core tool to protect key sectors (e.g., steel, high-tech), penalize unfair practices, and encourage reshoring—framing them not as inflationary relics but as selective levers for fair competition, potentially exempting allies like South Korea while targeting adversaries. Alternative Energy Sources: The conversation highlights industrial policy's role in advancing clean tech, such as batteries and renewables, by federal support for commercialization (beyond R&D). They cite examples of government-funded innovation pipelines to secure U.S. leadership in energy transitions, reducing reliance on imported supply chains. Government Subsidies: Emphasizing "selective intervention," they call for expanded subsidies—including loans, tax credits, and procurement preferences—to nurture high-value industries. This builds on Biden-era initiatives like the CHIPS Act but pushes for comprehensiveness, including WTO exit if needed, to create good jobs and foster innovation without distorting markets broadly. The authors draw on historical case studies and data to substantiate their critique of neoliberal economics, positioning industrial policy as essential for national security and prosperity SPONSORS Our Gold Guy: https://www.mygoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us

Today, on the Two Mikes, Colonel Mike and Dr. Mike spoke with Edward Dutton, who is an adjunct professor at a Finland’s Oulu University and a Professor of Evolutionary Psychology at Asbiro University Asbiro in Łódź, Poland. He works in the areas of evolutionary psychology, human biological differences, and intelligence. Dr. Dutton has been a consistent, detailed, and aggressive student of the dangerous threat posed to the West by the wokeism that is now ravaging Europe, the United States, and much of the world. He explained those who have sworn fealty to Woke ideology are primarily interested in forming a rival regime in each country where they are active. Such people do not give a damn about what the law says, what history teaches, or their own pathetic lack of commonsense. But in the midst of the woke madness – and the spoiled children who pronounce and abide by the deranged doctrine -- we can clearly see the approach of civil-war conditions in at least Great Britain and the United States. Indeed, in the United States, a Democratic Congressman named Rasken has openly called for the immediate creation of such conditions. Dr. Dutton noted that for Britain the drift toward wokesism began as early as 1963. It was inspired in large part inspired by the UK’s well-merited status as the capital of eugenics. The development of eugenics let to the woke’s core assessment that the only correct line of thought in the world is derived from left-wing thinking and diktats. The result in the UK, as well as in the United States, is that most of the leftwing and its so-called leaders cannot cope with real life. They instead negate the every-day necessity of such things as making a living, getting along with people you disagree with, working for a living, and self-defense. Because he is British and knows the country, Dr. Dutton said that the UK today is declining with some speed, is facing country-wide and increasing criminality, homelessness, tent cities, and appears to be headed toward collapse. The idea of inalienable, God-given rights and Christianity are things of the past in UK politics, and is gradually becoming so in the United States. These things are not disliked by the woke, they are utterly despised as are all those who still hold to the tenets. It seems increasingly possible that a return to the faith may well be the only means of slowing and then destroying the terrorist pagan mindset that lies at the heart of wokeism. Dr. Dutton’s web site is https://edwarddutton.com/; his YouTube Channel is called “The Jolly Heretic”; his e-mail is [email protected]; and his Twitter handle is @jolly heretic. Dr. Dutton notes that “Due to YouTube’s anti-Freedom-of-Expression policy, the censored and generally more forthright videos can be seen exclusively on Bitchute. and Odysee.” Among his many books, Dr. Dutton’s most recent are Shaman of the Radical Right: The Life and Mind of Jonathan Bowden 2025 and Genius Under House Arrest: The Cancellation of James Watson (2025). These two and many of Dr. Dutton’s other books are available at Amazon. SPONSORS Cambridge Credit: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes Our Gold Guy: https://www.mygoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us

Rick Hill appeared on the Two Mikes show to discuss his experience with apricot kernels and their connection to what some claim to be a cancer treatment. The claims behind this is that Laetrile, or Vitamin B17, a compound known as amygdalin found in apricot kernels, is a natural and effective treatment for cancer. This substance supposedly works by specifically destroying cancer cells while leaving healthy tissue untouched. There is a suggestion that the medical establishment has been suppressing this information for a long time. The advocacy is that individuals can use the kernels or supplements containing B17 as a way to both prevent and treat the disease, asserting it is a long-standing, powerful, natural remedy that patients should be free to choose. This of course should be done with extensive research and under the care of professionals in this field. SPONSORS Cambridge Credit: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes Our Gold Guy: https://www.mygoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us

Today, the Two Mikes spoke with Mel, who goes on her very popular podcast by the name “Village Crazy Lady”. Mel spoke in detail about an effort using false accusation as was made to destroy the reputation of Matt Gaetz in the immediate period before Trump intended to appoint him as his Attorney General. The anti-Gaetz conspiracy were motivated by a belief that Gaetz wanted to take legal action against the Anti-Defamation League and other organizations allied with it. Mel made the very true point that there are so many problems posed to the United States by Israel and its supporters and their unrelenting preference for war over peace. Mel’s work appears at https://x.com/Villgecrazylady/status/1675338119636217857 SPONSORS Cambridge Credit: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes Our Gold Guy: https://www.ourgoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us

Today, on the Two Mikes, we spoke with the increasingly popular comedian/political commentator Leonarda Jonie. Ms. Jonie was born in Albania and is now an American. Her comedy act – for which she writes all of jokes – is usually a sharp and conservative commentary of politics and foreign policy in the United States and the rest of the world. In recent months, Ms. Jonie has been focused on the actions of Israel and its savage war against Palestine, noting especially the seemingly endless murder of Palestinian children. On this issue, Ms. Jonie’s questions why the United States of America thinks it gains anything but shame, hatred, and enemies for maintaining relations with and providing unlimited funds and weapons for the Israeli Army and Mossad, facilitating their indiscriminate war on Palestinians. Like the best of comedy, Ms. Jonie’s performances provides enjoyment, as well as plenty of food for thought about critical issues of the day. SPONSORS Cambridge Credit Counseling: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes www.TwoMikes.us

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On today’s episode of the Two Mikes Colonel Mike and Dr. Mike had the pleasure of discussing the U.S. economy and politics with renowned Libertarian and financial expert Murray Sabrin. Dr. Sabrin started by explaining that the idea of non-intervention applies to the domestic economy as well as the nation’s foreign policy. Both are better off when the federal government does not align itself with interventionism. On the domestic economic front, he reminded us that we live in a profit-and-loss economy, success and bankruptcy are both common occurrences, and that is a natural outcome in a capitalist economy where the consumer is ultimately the proper judge of success or failure for all companies. If a company is going to fail, it is because the consumers’ have decided that its products are over-priced or inferior in quality. In that circumstance, the business must choose for itself between improving their product quality and moderating prices, or simply closing shop. The wrench is the system, naturally enough, is the federal government which far too often interferes and subsidizes failing businesses thereby making matters worse with economic costs increasing and taxpayer dollars wasted. In a profit-and-loss economy, like America’s, a national government policy of non-intervention in the national economy invariably produces a decline in poverty, improved products, additional jobs, and the success of better run companies and reasonably priced products. On foreign policy, the fruits of non-intervention in problems that are of no security concern to the United States are self-evident. International intervention by the United States causes wars –currently in Ukraine, Israel-vs-Iran and, this week, in Syria. As important, war for the United States is always a losing endeavor. Notwithstanding the obscene amounts of taxpayer money spent on the U.S. military since 1945, U.S. general officers have been dominated by men and women who have – over the past 80 years – decisively proven that they are unable to win against always weaker enemies. Having lost every war Washington has chosen to fight since 1945, there is no doubt that money is not the answer to end our binge of defeats, but rather it’s a prolonged and glaringly apparent failure of leadership, strategy, courage, and – enormously so – commonsense at nearly every level of the U.S. military Dr. Sabrin also delivered a surprise during our discussion. He announced that he is forming a committee to help him determine if he should attempt a run for the U.S. presidency in 2028. He said that he also is building a soon to be ready app called “Make Americans Financially Independent” or MAFI. Via that App he intends to elicit opinions about what people thing about the country’s economy, quality of life, and foreign policy, as well as to get their response to some of his plans he has if he becomes president, such as ending the income tax and ending the U.S. government’s interventionism at home and abroad. He also said that one of the main factors contributing to the federal government’s ever increasing authoritarianism is the stripping the states of the powers assigned to them by the Constitution. A process of returning powers that belong to the states would, naturally, strip the federal government of the powers that have been systematically stolen from the states since the end of the Civil War. At the present moment, almost all domestic matters the Congress and the President are involved in are rightly the sole responsibility of the states under the Constitution.SPONSORS Triangle Fragrance: https://trianglefragrance.com/?sca_ref=4171318.dUndUHDKz3 Cambridge Credit: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes EMP Shield: https://www.empshield.com/?coupon=twomikes Our Gold Guy: https://www.ourgoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us

Today, on the Two Mikes, and after too long an absence, we were joined by Mr. Gordon Oliver from Cambridge Credit Counseling (888 764 7468) to discuss some of the economic problems that Americans are still encountering. One of the best ways to see that consumers are still struggling with higher prices, Mr. Oliver said, is to track the level of nationwide credit-card debt. Over the past few years that number has increased from $840 billion to $1.3 trillion dollars. Clearly, consumers are using credit cards to cover expenses they previously paid for from the income they earn. Moreover, 65-percent of retirees are still carrying debt, and about 68-percent of Americans are living from check-to-check. Obviously, many Americans are living on edge of economic disaster. In addition, Mr. Oliver added that young Americans are particularly endangered by the overuse of credit cards and student loans. Why? Well it truly appears that before the time comes for college, younger Americans are living in households where parents do not often speak to and with their children about the expense of modern-day life or about how to live within one's means. Most of us have visited homes or eaten in restaurants where families are dining and the youngsters are playing with their phones, and often their parents are doing the same. American families do not seem to spend a lot of time talking about how to responsibly manage money. Moreover, the youngsters often have neither parents nor grandparents that have lived through really hard times, and so can offer little about coping with really hard economic times. It also appears also that children are taught little about budget keeping in grammar or high school. Perhaps as bad is that it seems that there are relatively few Americans who possess even a small portion of commonsense, the lack of which was once the sole province of intellectuals, Democrats, and college professors. These days, the devotion of the young to expensive electronic devices and expensive forms of entertainment comes easy with credit cards. Concerts, all kinds of electronics, sports betting -- to name a few such items -- are so easily acquired that it seems likely that many youngsters are in debt even before they graduate from high school, just as they are about to step into the great scam known as student loans. This lack of an introduction to planning for life's expenses and the genuine need to save money -- that is the clear lack of commonsense -- often leaves youngsters unready economically and intellectually for the debt they build, at times blithely, from the cost of entertainment and college and so emerge from the latter with a sizeable debt that is probably unmanageable in the first years after graduation, and perhps far longer. Mr. Oliver has agreed to join us again soon and we will devote most of that episode to the issue of student loans, how to think about and handle them, and the disaster which is nearly certain for those who have little common sense, more or less for the moment, and are relatively ignorant about or have disdain for the idea of carefully budgeting their money. --Cambridge Credit Counseling: Tel: 1 800-235-1407; 8887647468 Website: https://www.cambridge-credit.org SPONSORS Triangle Fragrance: https://trianglefragrance.com/?sca_ref=4171318.dUndUHDKz3 Cambridge Credit: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes EMP Shield: https://www.empshield.com/?coupon=twomikes Our Gold Guy: https://www.ourgoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us

Today, the Two Mikes spoke for a few minutes with Dimitri Makarov, who is senior assistant to the Russian Foreign Minister. Mr. Makarov noted that Russia’s government is tired of Trump’s constantly changing positions and threats on Ukraine. Ukraine, he said, is a genuine problem for Russia. Even before the current war began, the Ukrainian government had been killing thousands of ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. This was made worse by United States and NATO overthrowing a legitimately elected pro-Russia president, eventually replacing him the addicted clown Zelensky, and then helping his regime to wage war against Russia. Makarov said none of the actors in this mess showed any interest in Russia’s national interests, and NATO and The U.S. did nothing but force war to start and then send many billions of dollars of arms to Zelinsky. Makarov said that Russia will now end the war on its term and apparently without any Western help. So be it, Russian security comes first he said, and while Moscow would welcome general cooperation with NATO, that organization clearly wants war with Russia, and Trump seems to have again kowtowed to NATO’s position on Ukraine, an organization he does not seem to realize died the day the Berlin Wall fell. Overall, Makarov said, Russia “really does not care what the United States and its leaders think about Russia.” Russia could work with the United States, he added, if it miraculously reacquired its adulthood, but as long as Trump is riding the Zelensky-forever train to hell, Moscow will serve its own interests as it sees them, and the Western morons can take the hindmost. SPONSORS Triangle Fragrance: https://trianglefragrance.com/?sca_ref=4171318.dUndUHDKz3 Cambridge Credit: https://www.cambridge-credit.org/twomikes EMP Shield: https://www.empshield.com/?coupon=twomikes Our Gold Guy: https://www.ourgoldguy.com www.TwoMikes.us