
A song doesn't exist in physical form. So what actually is it?
That's a question my guest this episode, music publisher Benjamin Groff, once got asked point-blank by a tech CEO — and it changed how he thinks about his entire industry. Benjamin built Kobalt's first U.S. office from the ground up, has signed artists like Ryan Tedder, Tiësto, and Kid Cudi, and now runs his own boutique publishing company, Brill Building, which just landed its first Billboard Hot 100 #1 with Beyoncé's "Break My Soul."
In this episode, we get into:
➡️ How Benjamin finds emerging artists years before anyone else notices them
➡️ Why data and virality metrics can't replace real taste and curation
➡️ What 100+ years of "new technology is going to ruin everything" panics — player pianos, drum machines, Napster, now AI — actually teach us
➡️ Why 85% of success comes down to identity and mindset, not raw skill
➡️ The Tony Robbins framework for why "good" work barely gets you anywhere anymore
If you've ever wondered whether AI is coming for your creative career, this conversation will change how you think about it.
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🔗 Learn more about Benjamin's coaching at benjamingroff.com/coaching
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