Go To on the Upside of Crying

In this finale of our Hard Conversations series, Kelly explores how making things together - singing, stitching, creating art - might be the key to deeper connections and better conversations across differences. Recorded in Bozeman, Montana, the day after our live collaborative event, Kelly is joined by musician Cava Menzies, who is a music educator and leads community singing experiences; artist Jen Bloomer, who has spent over two decades with her organization Radici Studios using art-making to help people connect across differences and embroidery artist Diana Weymar, known for her "tiny pricks" needlework (and popular Instagram account of the same name) which creates space for reflection and conversation. Together, they discover how the collaborative principles needed in all art forms - whether it's harmonizing voices, listening deeply to someone's story before making art about it or slowing down to stitch meaningful words - mirror what we need in our relationships, communities and democracy. It's about how art disarms us, creates space for surprise and vulnerability and reveals the surprising truth that you can't be cynical and creative at the same time. Listen in to hear soundbites from the live event.  This episode, the Bozeman, MT live event and the entire Hard Conversations series were all made possible by a grant from Templeton Religion Trust.  You can learn more by visiting templetonreligiontrust.org. Check out the previous episodes from our Hard Conversations series: Deep Dive with Bob and Amy Allnutt on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-bob-a nd-amy-allnutt-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000683888545 Deep Dive with Isaac Slade and Gregg Latterman on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/deep-dive-with-isaac-slade-and-gregg-latterman-on/id1532951390?i=1000684803329 Deep Dive with Simon Greer and Saad Soliman on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-simon-greer-and-saad-soliman-on/id1532951390?i=1000686080499 Deep Dive with Sisters Amy and Meg on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-sisters-amy-and-meg-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000688777654 Deep Dive with Karen McKinney and Joseph Herrera on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-karen-mckinney-and-joseph-herrera-on/id1532951390?i=1000691018234 Deep Dive with Rabbi Sharon Brous on Hard Conversations http://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/deep-dive-with-rabbi-sharon-brous-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000704424738 Deep Dive with Ami Dar on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-ami-dar-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000705376939 Deep Dive with Amy Griffin on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-amy-griffin-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000708296163 Deep Dive with Brad Porteus on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-brad-porteus-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000709108674 Deep Dive with Miroslav Volf on Hard Conversations https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/deep-dive-with-miroslav-volf-on-hard-conversations/id1532951390?i=1000710067256 To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week's episode features Jenny Rosenstrach's heartfelt eulogy for her father, Ivan, highlighting his unwavering dependability and his profound love for family. Jenny reflects on cherished memories from her childhood, illustrating her father's unique love language of 'being there,' and the impact his dependable nature had on her life. (Previously aired) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What if politicians could just agree to stop being so awful to each other? Amanda Ripley (bestselling author and co-founder of ⁠Good Conflict⁠, a media and training company that helps people reimagine conflict) thinks it's possible and she's got examples to prove it. This week's Go To digs into her idea for voluntary non-aggression pacts - basically giving politicians permission to step back from the brink without looking weak. Turns out, most people caught up in these conflicts are actually tired of fighting but don't know how to stop. We'll look at how we can reward the good behavior when we see it and why we need to be ready with real solutions before things get even worse. Sometimes the obvious answer is hiding in plain sight. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this conversation recorded live at the Aspen Ideas Festival, Kelly explores two fundamental human drives with panel moderator Dave DeSteno (host of the podcast How God Works) and author of the new book Mattering: The Secret to a Life of Deep Connection and Purpose, Jennifer B. Wallace - our deep need to feel valued and our instinct to create. Jennifer shares her research on "mattering" and why so many people today feel invisible, while Kelly makes the case that creativity isn't a luxury but essential for our wellbeing. Together, they uncover why showing genuine interest in others matters more than praise, how economic pressures are driving perfectionism in families and the surprising ways that making things with our hands can change how we see the world. Kelly and Jennifer Wallace will be together in person, in New Caanan, CT on October 29th, 2025. We'll add the link for the event here in the show notes as soon as it becomes available. Special thanks to our friends at the Aspen Ideas Festival. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Listener Sarah DuMond shares the eulogy she gave for her mother - a woman who embodied the motto, "Take a Tylenol and wear the damn heels." Sarah reflects on navigating life in what she calls, "the sacred Venn diagram of daughter, mother, wife", while planning both a funeral and graduations in the same month. Her tribute captures a remarkable woman who was crowned West Virginia University's Mountaineer Queen, had a self-declared theme song and approached life's challenges with grace and practicality. It's a beautiful portrait of how the women of a certain generation lived with strength, sweetness and an unshakeable sense of what truly mattered - and a reminder that we're all leaving legacies whether we realize it or not. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Breaking down the principles, practices and tactics of conflict resolution to be shared with anyone who is struggling to reach new levels understanding with friends, family and neighbors. A very simple set of moves that just might break the tension. Reference: Bridging Differences Playbook created by the Greater Good Science Center. (Previously aired) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Kelly talks with Kendra Adachi (The Lazy Genius), who challenges everything we've been taught about productivity and time management. Together, they explore why traditional approaches aren't working for women's lives, and offer a revolutionary new framework for finding contentment in the chaos. Kelly and Kendra discuss Kendra's new book The Plan and look at how to stop treating exhaustion as a status symbol and start embracing a more integrated approach to daily life. It's an honest conversation about redefining what a successful life really looks like, perfect for anyone seeking a more compassionate way to navigate their time and energy. (Previously aired) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Once in a great while, maybe even just once in a lifetime, a person comes along who totally changes your perspective, teaches you what matters and gives you an example of what loving your fellow man is supposed to look like. Avery Anderson was that person. She affected people near and far and people around the world showed their love and support of her by wearing rubber bracelets in Avery’s favorite color of teal green. #avethebrave (Previously aired) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If I don't let myself cry, I risk a migraine, which is to risk several days of living. So when the wave comes, I let it. After my most recent release, I stumbled onto some analysis of the benefits of crying and why we might do well by each other to normalize crying as a natural and effective human behavior. Sharing here for the good of the order. Speaking of which, we'd love to hear about the best cry of your life -- if you feel like sharing, write us at [email protected]. (Previously aired) To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What does it really mean to be financially fulfilled, and how has the path to wealth changed for younger generations? In this conversation recorded at the Aspen Ideas Festival, host Kelly Corrigan sits down with Edward Jones Managing Partner Penny Pennington and finance influencer and educator Vivian Tu to explore how money psychology shapes our decisions, why traditional retirement models are breaking down, and what families can do to navigate the largest wealth transfer in American history. From the comparison trap fueled by social media to the sandwich generation caring for both parents and children, Pennington and Tu offer practical insights on building financial literacy, having honest money conversations across generations and redefining what middle-class prosperity looks like in today's economy. Whether you're helping your twentysomething get started or planning for your own financial future, this episode challenges assumptions about money, success and what it takes to build lasting wealth. Special thanks to the Aspen Ideas Festival where this episode was recorded. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices