James Orr & Reform UK: The B-Side (PREVIEW)

THIS IS A PREVIEW OF A BONUS B-SIDE EPISODE. For access to the full length version of this and every other biweekly bonus B-side, go to Patreon.com/illconceived -------------------------- The White House is planning to revise Equal Employment Opportunity Commission guidance about pregnancy-related workplace benefits to exclude abortion care. We're talking about it, plus we read your letters about: Israel's military leaving hospitalized Palestinian babies to die and targeting Palestinian fertility clinics in Gaza Discovering a Focus on the Family-published book on the free shelf, and the contents therein We love a sexy pig!

When people obsessed with demographic shift are asked to give an example of a country that does it right, they often point to Israel, whose total fertility rate of 2.87 is the highest in the OECD. But why is Israel's fertility rate so much higher than its peers? This week, Josh and June dig into the history of the Israeli state to see how natalist ideals were embedded into its fabric even before its formal founding and learn how that ideology links to the forcible transfer and expulsion of its native Palestinian population. ***WANT MORE ILL CONCEIVED? Every other week, we release B-side supplements to the main episodes where we read your e-mail responses and discuss things further. Come check us out at Patreon.com/illconceived!*** ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WORLD FAMOUS MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to [email protected]*** EPISODE ART: David Ben-Gurion, the first prime minister of Israel. Before the state of Israel was established in 1948, Ben-Gurion was instrumental in building support for the concept of a Jewish state in Palestine and led the nascent settler movement known as the Yishuv in its transition to full governance. SOURCES: A Very Short History of the Israel–Palestine Conflict by Ilan Pappé (Oneworld Publications, 2024) “David Ben-Gurion and the ‘Demographic Threat’: His Dualistic Approach to Natalism, 1936–63” by Lilach Rosenberg-Friedman (Middle Eastern Studies, April 22, 2015) “Religiosity, nationalism and fertility among Jews in Israel revisited” by Evgenia Bystrov (Acta Sociologica, May 2016) “Demographic Change in the Greater Levant: A Case Study by Country Egypt, Israel, and Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria” by Anthony H Cordesman (CSIS, 2022) “Jewish pronatalism: Policy and practice” by Michal Raucher (Religion Compass, 2021) “The Impact of Militarism, Patriarchy, and Culture on Israeli Women’s Reproductive Health and Well-Being” by Leeat Granek and Ora Nakash (International Journal of Behavioral Medicine, 2017) “Vanishing Palestine” by Lila Sharif (Critical Ethnic Studies, 2016) “West Bank annexation supported by nearly 40% of Israeli Jews, JPPI poll finds” (The Jerusalem Post, August 12, 2026) “Israel abortion application rates decline, with nearly all requests gaining approval, CBS reports” by Ruby Sadikman (The Jerusalem Post, June 27, 2026) World Bank data for the population of the West Bank and Gaza Abortion in the United States fact sheet (Guttmacher Institute, March 2026) “Israeli army ends 11-day Hebron raid after looting and vandalising Palestinian homes” by Fayha Shalash (Middle East Eye, November 4, 2026) FOLLOW THE SHOW: Website: illconceivedpodcast.com Bluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.com Tumblr: @illconceivedpod FOLLOW JOSH: Website: joshboerman.com Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds Stream: Traditional Scrench FOLLOW JUNE: Bluesky: @junlper.beer Other podcast: Kill The Computer Writing: June's Substack ILL CONCEIVED THEME SONG BY: Caleb (Linktree / Bluesky)

THIS IS A PREVIEW OF A BONUS B-SIDE EPISODE. For access to the full length version of this and every other biweekly bonus B-side, go to Patreon.com/illconceived -------------------------- Vivek Ramaswamy, in his campaign to become governor of Ohio, has weaponized rival Democrat Amy Acton's mother to smear her in an October surprise that recalls some of the nastiest tendencies of natalism and the "parental rights" movement. We're talking about it, plus we read your letters about: The mechanics of Israel's "law of return" and how it facilitates the transfer of stolen land How Birthright is pitched to more observant Jews and the family pressure it entails Chabad classes about the importance of family making Population loss and how it affects the trajectories of cities "Yeehaw!" - The Timid Cowboy

Since its establishment in 1999, the organization Taglit-Birthright Israel has taken hundreds of thousands of young Jews on an all-expenses-paid trip to the Holy Land, encouraging them to settle down and have children in a country with the highest birth rate in the Western-aligned world. This week, June and Josh take a look at how Birthright functions, both as a natalist project and a backstop for The Most Moral Army In The World™ and its ongoing campaign of genocide against Palestine. ***WANT MORE ILL CONCEIVED? Every other week, we release B-side supplements to the main episodes where we read your e-mail responses and discuss things further. Come check us out at Patreon.com/illconceived!*** ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WORLD FAMOUS MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to [email protected]*** EPISODE ART: Sheldon Adelson, the billionaire founder of the Las Vegas Sands Corporation. Before his death in 2021, Adelson was the single largest funder of Birthright Israel, contributing over $500 million alongside his wife Miriam. AUDIO CLIPS: 49:33 – Excerpt from an NPR article about the IDF sperm retrieval unit by Daniel Estrin SOURCES: What is Birthright Israel? Why Do Observant Jews Have So Many Kids? Israel’s Religiously Divided Society Debating Natalism: Israeli One-Woman Shows on Experiencing Childlessness Families of Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza are retreiving sperm from their bodies Questioning our 'Birthright' 15 year old thread on Birthright: Just got back from my Birthright trip. I want to share my experience with others because it did not match the promotional material. New data suggest Birthright effect on Jewish marriage, connection to Israel lasts up to 2 decades The Romance of Birthright Israel FOLLOW THE SHOW: Website: illconceivedpodcast.com Bluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.com Tumblr: @illconceivedpod FOLLOW JOSH: Website: joshboerman.com Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds Stream: Traditional Scrench FOLLOW JUNE: Bluesky: @junlper.beer Other podcast: Kill The Computer Writing: June's Substack ILL CONCEIVED THEME SONG BY: Caleb (Linktree / Bluesky)

THIS IS A PREVIEW OF A BONUS B-SIDE EPISODE. For access to the full length version of this and every other biweekly bonus B-side, go to Patreon.com/illconceived -------------------------- The Financial Times has published an article that sees falling birthrates as a form of social contagion. We're talking about it, plus reading your letters from the World Famous Mailbag about: The status of trans healthcare, both government-sanctioned and DIY HRT, in the UK How James Orr's project at Cambridge reflects the German nationalistic fraternal order known as the Burschenschaften The official legal status of the city (not town!) of Winchester Our babies stay winning!

It's Brit Week here on Ill Conceived and the subject is the born-again Christian, recently deposed Reform UK policy head, and long-time friend of J.D. Vance known as James Orr. From his meteoric ascendance at Cambridge University and Reform UK to his equally precipitous recent crashout (and probable crimes), Josh and June try to figure out how Orr's attempt at bringing American-style Christian nationalism to the UK failed in the short run and discuss what the longer-term project might look like. ***WANT MORE ILL CONCEIVED? Every other week, we release B-side supplements to the main episodes where we read your e-mail responses and discuss things further. Come check us out at Patreon.com/illconceived!*** ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WORLD FAMOUS MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to [email protected]*** EPISODE ART: James Orr speaking at a convention in Phoenix, Arizona. AUDIO CLIPS: 24:22 – A church service at Holy Trinity Brompton from March 15, 2026 45:56 – James Orr talking about how governments can raise birthrates on John Anderson's podcast 50:22 – James Orr talking about the liberal concept of individual rights, also on John Anderson's podcast 54:59 – James Orr talking about the importance of a strong ethnic majority in a GB News interview SOURCES: “Two Reform officials step down after undercover donations report” by Ewan Somerville and Joe Pike (BBC, September 4, 2026) “Former student of suspended Reform official reopens bullying case against Cambridge University” by Ben Quinn and Rowena Mason (The Guardian, September 17, 2026) “James Orr and the gospel of the new British right” by Helen Warrell and Ramsay Hodgson (FT Magazine, September 3, 2026) “J. D. Vance is the future of MAGA” by James Orr (The Spectator, August 20, 2025) “Radical Islam, Depopulation & Identity Politics: The UK In Crisis” with James Orr (John Anderson Media, December 22, 2025) “Exclusive: Nigel Farage filmed undercover celebrating secret new foreign donations” (Channel 4, September 3, 2026) “James Orr on England's immigration crisis” (GB News, July 10, 2025) “Nigel Farage tells BBC he 'wasn't listening' during foreign donor talks filmed undercover” by Laura Kuenssburg (BBC, September 6, 2026) “The 'National Conservative' who grew up in Belgium — and won J.D. Vance’s ear” by Dylan Carter (The Brussels Times, June 22, 2025) “Meet JD Vance’s English philosopher king” by Peter Snowdon and Anne McElvoy (Politico, September 19, 2024) “James Orr: JD Vance is just a normal guy who likes his beers” by Robert Crampton (The Times, August 15, 2025) “Palantir Co-Founder Peter Thiel and Reform UK’s Cambridge University Recruitment Pipeline Project Revealed” by Nafeez Ahmed and Peter Jukes (Byline Times, July 9, 2026) “An English Benedict Option” by Rod Dreher (February 22, 2025) “What are the allegations Reform UK is facing on illegal donations as police launch probe” by Millie Cooke (The Independent, September 9, 2026) “The Burnham bounce: Is Labour gaining ground against Farage’s Reform?” by Edna Mohamed (Al Jazeera, September 30, 2026) “UK police widen criminal probe into Reform UK over new allegations” (Reuters, September 9, 2026) “Shock and Orr: Meet the Farage-Supporting ‘Philosopher King’ of British Authoritarianism” by Iain Overton (Byline Times, August 26, 2026) “Reform’s new ‘kingmaker’: The theologian friend of JD Vance” by Poppy Coburn (The Telegraph, October 19, 2025) “James Orr is Reform’s new Head of Policy” by James Heale (The Spectator, February 17, 2026) FOLLOW THE SHOW: Website: illconceivedpodcast.com Bluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.com Tumblr: @illconceivedpod FOLLOW JOSH: Website: joshboerman.com Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds Stream: Traditional Scrench FOLLOW JUNE: Bluesky: @junlper.beer Other podcast: Kill The Computer Writing: June's Substack ILL CONCEIVED THEME SONG BY: Caleb (Linktree / Bluesky)

THIS IS A PREVIEW OF A BONUS B-SIDE EPISODE. For access to the full length version of this and every other biweekly bonus B-side, go to Patreon.com/illconceived -------------------------- A report from this past June found that South Korea's birthrate and marriage rate both appear to be on the rise. Slutcon has unveiled its full schedule and final lineup of presenters. We're talking about it all, plus reading your letters about: The similarities between 4B in South Korea now and radical separatist lesbianism in the United States in the 70s and 80s The propaganda function of billboards How the Mennonites and Amish consolidate political power Military and e-sports culture in South Korea

Over the course of the past decade or so, South Korea has become a country where men and women occupy completely different political perspectives and landscapes. It's also one of the countries with the lowest fertility rates in the world. This week, June and Josh look at how South Korea's history of patriarchy and male conscription have collided with a restive and extremely online female populace to create a massive breakdown in gender relations. ***WANT MORE ILL CONCEIVED? Every other week, we release B-side supplements to the main episodes where we read your e-mail responses and discuss things further. We also occasionally release other stuff, like this week's dramatic reading of part 2 of the Zootopia abortion comic. Come check us out at Patreon.com/illconceived!*** ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WORLD FAMOUS MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to [email protected]*** EPISODE ART: Yoon Suk Yeol, the 13th president of South Korea. Yoon ran for president in 2022, winning an overwhelming share of the young male vote on an anti-feminist campaign that heavily emphasized young men's grievances. In 2024, with his popularity declining, Yoon attempted to self-coup by declaring martial law, leading the National Assembly to pass emergency impeachment and removal measures. In 2026 he was sentenced to life imprisonment. LINKS: Josh's episode of Informed Attraction about Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 and The Last of Us AUDIO CLIPS: 39:04 – Michael Knowles and Katie Miller discussing how women now outnumber men in the American workforce on The Katie Miller Podcast SOURCES: National Geographic, Korea, and the 38th Parallel Country Studies: South Korea EQUAL EMPLOYMENT ACT The role of social solidarity in the rise and decline of the South Korean student movement in the 1970–1990s Why South Korea’s young men are turning conservative South Korea’s misogyny problem A new global gender divide is emerging Gender politics and right-wing politics clash in South Korea Megalia: Feminists of South Korea 4B movement Understanding antifeminist backlash in the South Korean context: Remnants of militarism and patriarchy 'Because women aren't wearing bikinis'? Gaming industry faces renewed 'feminism verification' controversy 'I got death threats when men thought I put feminist gesture in video game' The Fight Over Gender Equality in South Korea Anti-Gender Politics, Economic Insecurity, and Right-Wing Populism: The Rise of Modern Sexism among Young Men in South Korea Random murder in the middle of Gangnam Station: 'Women ignored me' "Not a 'random' crime, but a 'misogyny' crime"… Women in their 20s stage protest performance, lying on the ground Labor force by gender | South Korea | Male Boycotting Men? How the 4B Feminist Rebellion is Taking on Patriarchy What is South Korea's 4B movement and could it take off in the West? The Necessary Paradigm Shift for South Korea’s Ultra-Low Fertility I’ve Covered Women in the Workplace for 15 Years. Something Alarming Is Happening. Blowback Podcast: S3 Episode 1 - “Stop Me Before I Kill Again” FOLLOW THE SHOW: Website: illconceivedpodcast.com Bluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.com Tumblr: @illconceivedpod FOLLOW JOSH: Website: joshboerman.com Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds Stream: Traditional Scrench FOLLOW JUNE: Bluesky: @junlper.beer Other podcast: Kill The Computer Writing: June's Substack ILL CONCEIVED THEME SONG BY: Caleb (Linktree / Bluesky)

We’re cooking up a super-sized serving of Ill Conceived goodness for next week, so in the meantime we decided to dig back into the World Famous Mailbag to read and answer the stuff you’ve been wondering about but we haven’t found space to cover on the main show or the B-sides, including: Personal experiences with Aporia’s Noah Carl Parsing the hypocrisy of female right-wing talking heads The conservative Catholic propaganda mill known as Franciscan University of Steubenville How conservative Christian communities tend to privilege parents over non-parents The effects of being forced to be a caretaker in your family The exclusion of queer families from natalist communities ***WANT MORE ILL CONCEIVED? Every other week, we release B-side supplements to the main episodes where we read your e-mail responses and discuss things further. Come check us out at Patreon.com/illconceived!*** ***WE WANT YOUR THOUGHTS FOR THE WORLD FAMOUS MAILBAG! Send an email with feedback about this week's episode to [email protected]*** EPISODE ART: It's the pig. SOURCES: "Northwestern’s African Studies Program Loses Research Status but Will Continue" by Olivia Sanchez (Inside Higher Ed, August 18, 2026) Franciscan University page about the Portiuncula Franciscan University page about the Tomb of the Unborn Child FOLLOW THE SHOW: Website: illconceivedpodcast.com Bluesky: ‪@illconceivedpodcast.com Tumblr: @illconceivedpod FOLLOW JOSH: Website: joshboerman.com Bluesky: @bosh.worstpossible.world Other podcast: The Worst of All Possible Worlds Stream: Traditional Scrench FOLLOW JUNE: Bluesky: @junlper.beer Other podcast: Kill The Computer Writing: June's Substack ILL CONCEIVED THEME SONG BY: Caleb (Linktree / Bluesky)

THIS IS A PREVIEW OF A BONUS B-SIDE EPISODE. For access to the full length version of this and every other biweekly bonus B-side, go to Patreon.com/illconceived -------------------------- If Nathan Cofnas is to be believed, he’s going to retain his position at Ghent University, in no small part thanks to a petition of support that was signed by nearly 1,000 academics. We’re talking about it, plus digging into the work of Bouke de Vries, a UGhent professor who brought Cofnas into the fold and has published scholarly work with a eugenicist/natalist bent. We’re also making music recs and reading your letters about: The connection between HDF and Malcolm Collins (watch the BBC4 documentary here or on BBC iPlayer) Erik Ahrens’ whole deal and his connection to AfD in Germany How to properly score the World Famous Mailbag