Ep. #16, Test-Driven Development Demystified with Jon Jagger

On episode 18 of How It's Tested, Eden Ful Goh speaks with Jake Schuenke and Kevin Clark of Phantom about scaling quality assurance in the age of AI. They explain why faster code generation demands better testing, review, and release processes. From AI-assisted triage to real-device testing, they share how their team balances speed with the trust users place in a crypto wallet.

In episode 17 of How It’s Tested, Eden sits down with Steve Tooke, Director of Product at Kosli and former co-founder of Cucumber, to explore the impact of Behavior-Driven Development (BDD) on software testing. They discuss how Cucumber evolved from an open-source tool into an industry staple, the challenges of test automation, and how AI is reshaping software quality.

In episode 16 of How It’s Tested, Eden speaks with Jon Jagger, Director of Software at Kosli. The conversation dives into Jon's journey of creating Cyber-Dojo, his insights on test-driven development (TDD), and how software testing practices have evolved over the years. They also discuss Jon's current role at Kosli, the philosophy behind effective testing, and how regulated industries like banking can benefit from modern compliance practices.

In episode 15 of How It’s Tested, Eden speaks with Devin Cintron, engineering manager at Comun. Devin shares how his team creates seamless banking solutions for Latino immigrants in the U.S. Discover how Comun bridges language, cultural, and economic gaps with user-centric design and innovative engineering.

In episode 14 of How It’s Tested, Eden Full Goh speaks with Rosie Sherry, founder of the Ministry of Testing, about her journey building one of the largest communities in software testing. Rosie shares insights on how testing roles have evolved, the impact of AI, and the importance of fostering a company-wide culture of quality. Tune in for a deep dive into the future of testing and quality assurance.

In episode 13 of How It’s Tested, Eden is joined by QA expert Katja Obring. Together they discuss Katja’s 20-year career journey in the software testing and QA industry, her experiences across various companies, the evolution of testing practices, and her perspectives on current trends, including automation and AI. Lastly, Katja shares her thoughts on the future of software testing, the importance of critical thinking, and collaboration between developers and testers.

In episode 12 of How It’s Tested, Eden Full Goh is joined by Daniel Johnson of Branch to explore the complexities of mobile deep linking and its critical role in the ever-evolving MarTech landscape. They cover real-world case studies from Spotify and Adobe, offering a deep look into how companies are leveraging Branch's technology to solve linking challenges. Tune in for insights into the future of mobile marketing.

In episode 11 of How It's Tested, Eden Full Goh sits down with Yechezkel Rabinovich of Groundcover to delve into the evolving landscape of observability. They explore the high costs of early observability measures and how Groundcover aims to make these processes more accessible and affordable. Yechezkel shares insights on eBPF, the rise of Flora, and the impact of using an open-source stack. Discover how Groundcover's innovative testing methods and commitment to metrics are reshaping engineering practices and what the future holds for this pioneering platform.

In episode 10 of How It’s Tested, Eden Full Goh speaks with Avery Durrant of Dripos. This conversation explores the unforeseen difficulties faced when hiring engineers, the importance of customer feedback, and the journey from scrappy startup to stable business.

In episode 9 of How It’s Tested, Eden Full Goh speaks with Dave Lewis of Mobot. This talk spotlights Dave’s experiences leading engineering teams at several notable companies, including the work he’s currently doing at Mobot. Additionally, Dave and Eden explore the evolution from manual testing to automated testing that's happening within organizations.