Kendra Licari Unmasked | The DARK Psychology of Netflix's Unknown Number

**SPOILER ALERT** In this episode, we take a deep dive into the complex psychological portrait of Kendra Licari, the Michigan mother whose anonymous text-based cyberbullying of her own daughter, Lauryn, and Lauryn’s ex-boyfriend, Owen, shook communities when exposed in Unknown Number: The High School Catfish. To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to http://nakedwines.com/HIDDEN and use code HIDDEN for both the code AND PASSWORD. About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day 9 was the turning point in the Donna Adelson trial. From fiery closing arguments to a stunningly fast verdict, the courtroom saw it all—accusations, rebuttals, and finally, the jury’s decision. We break down how both sides made their case, why the defense struggled, and what the guilty verdict means in this high-stakes family murder plot. ONESKIN: Get 15% off OneSkin with the code HIDDEN at https://www.oneskin.co #oneskinpod FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208⁠ Spotify:⁠https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA⁠ About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at⁠ Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day 8 of the Donna Adelson trial brought defense experts who painted Wendi’s divorce as “routine,” not a bitter custody war, and pushed back on claims Donna pulled the strings. But prosecutors fought to keep their narrative intact, highlighting coded language, money disputes, and Donna’s looming decision on whether to testify. By the end of the day, the defense rested—setting the stage for closings and verdict watch. FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: ⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208⁠⁠ Spotify:⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA⁠ For the full Surviving the Survivor interview, go here: ⁠https://www.youtube.com/live/NEu1uhfrOug⁠ About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at ⁠Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After the prosecution rested on Friday, the defense is up next in the Donna Adelson trial. FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208⁠ Spotify:⁠https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA For the full Surviving the Survivor interview, go here: https://www.youtube.com/live/NEu1uhfrOug About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Dr. John is here to break down the Baby Emmanuel Haro case and what factors he thinks may have contributed to the alleged murder of Baby Emmanuel Haro. About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this exclusive interview, Detectives Bobbi Jo Olson and Molly Harris tell all about what it was like working on the James Craig case. From the initial call, to the search warrants, to the trial, where they were still receiving tip calls, they give Hidden True Crime and exclusive look into the case. Lumi: Lumi Gummies are available nationwide! Go to https://LumiGummies.com and use code HIDDEN for 30% off. About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The state ties its case together—Agent Sanford (day 3 on the stand) maps the arrests, backs up Katherine’s proffer, and spotlights Donna’s “outside your house” text, her planner, and the jailhouse script a handwriting expert says she wrote. The defense fires back: probable cause isn’t proof. Search photos, wiretaps, the 2016 “bump,” and Donna’s post-verdict travel plans cap the day as prosecutors rest. FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day 5 of the Donna Adelson trial zeroed in on wiretaps, secret meetings, and coded family conversations prosecutors say reveal the murder plot. From the FBI’s “bump” sting to Donna’s own words, the state is tightening its case against Donna. FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Day 4 of the Donna Adelson trial dove deeper into the digital blueprint of murder. Prosecutors showed cell records, GPS logs, and rare landline calls linking Donna, Charlie, and Katherine to the hitmen before and after Dan Markel’s killing. The state argued “Dad’s birthday present” was code for murder, while jurors heard FBI agents break down the 2016 “bump” sting that rattled Donna and exposed her secret calls with Charlie. FULL BACKSTORY- Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hidden-true-crime/id1521619380?i=1000670853208 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/episode/2VGAg7V4owkukkAG8SgNFZ?si=8oxZ2529QP28a_gHMTrpvA About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Join Lauren and she goes over the latest updates in the Emmanuel Haro case, followed by an interview with boots on the ground reporter, Ahmed Bellozo About Hidden True Crime: What started as a simple conversation at their dinner table became a captivating podcast. Join the dynamic duo of Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, and Lauren Matthias, an investigative journalist, as they delve into the psychological facets of unthinkable crimes every week. Their unique perspectives and in-depth analysis offer a fresh take on true crime storytelling. Thank you for your support through sponsorships, subscribing, listening, and becoming a Patreon member at Patreon.com/HiddenTrueCrime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices