Ep. 511 Can Chocolate Help You Live Longer? The Surprising Healthspan Benefits of Cocoa Flavanols with Dr. Amy Shah

Today, we have another episode in a series of conversations with experts and highly vetted companies. In this episode, we feature CocoaVia, a brand of cocoa flavanol supplements made from a proprietary cocoa extract that aims to support cognition and heart health. I am delighted to welcome Dr. Amy Shah, who trained at Cornell, Harvard, and Columbia. Dr. Shah is a well-known expert on metabolic health and intermittent fasting. With a background in internal medicine, allergies, and immunology, she has helped many patients transform their health with cutting-edge nutritional and medical science.  In our conversation, we explore cocoa flavanols, explaining what they are, their benefits, and how they work mechanistically. We discuss how perimenopause and menopause can lead to endothelial dysfunction due to low sex hormones, and the effects of lifestyle factors like circadian rhythm alignment. Dr. Shah shares foods she finds particularly helpful for middle-aged women and reviews the research on cocoa flavanols. We also cover the impact of cocoa flavanols on health span, longevity, and brain health, including improvements in memory, word recall, and spatial reasoning, and Dr. Shah offers guidance on supporting the maturation and health of teens and young adults. Today’s conversation with Dr. Shah is practical and evidence-based. I also share how cocoa flavanols have helped my younger son’s focus and attention, and how my husband and I use these products in our daily lives. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: How cocoa flavanols support heart health, brain health, and longevity Why nitric oxide production matters for vascular flexibility, especially in perimenopause How circadian rhythm optimization improves energy, mood, and metabolic health Why introducing fiber and probiotic foods slowly may be necessary for gut adaptation How cocoa flavanols and other bioactives can enhance health span and lifespan The importance of selecting the right supplement quality and dose to prevent ineffectiveness or excess How cocoa flavanols can improve cognition, memory, and brain function over 8–12 weeks Why natural drinks (coffee, cocoa flavanols) are far better than energy drinks or caffeine for teens How combining core lifestyle habits with targeted bioactive compounds supports long-term health and longevity Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Dr. Amy Shah On her website CocoaVia

I am thrilled to have Gary Taubes back on the show today. (He was with me before on episode 137. Gary is an investigative science and health journalist whose work has been pivotal in catalyzing the low-carb keto movement. He has written many books, including his most recent, Rethinking Diabetes, and his articles are in many of the best anthologies. He has also received many science awards. Today's discussion is particularly significant, given the recent report from the American Diabetes Association revealing that the annual cost of diabetes in the United States reached a staggering $412.9 billion in 2022, with individuals diagnosed with diabetes now representing one in every four dollars spent on healthcare.  In our discussion today, we dive into the history of diabetes, pertinent statistics, the prevailing standard of care, and the transformative influence of insulin on diabetes management and reactive hypoglycemia. Gary provides insights into his reactions to GLP ones, the integration of medical and nutrition science into the medical field, and the influence of organizations such as the American Diabetes Association, AHA, USDA, and NIH. Our discussion also extends to the effects of pharmaceuticals, the shortcomings in our approach to diabetes management and existing models, and the challenge the low-carb community faces. Stay tuned for today's eye-opening conversation, where we shed light on the complexities surrounding diabetes care, explaining how simple lifestyle changes can tremendously improve quality of life. IN THIS EPISODE YOU WILL LEARN: Rethinking Diabetes is a groundbreaking exploration of diabetes diagnosis, management, and treatment Gary discusses the evolution of evidence-based medicine Why the traditional medical approach to treating diabetes is inadequate How the guidelines of the American Diabetes Association were based on outdated assumptions  How medical treatments compare with lifestyle changes for managing diabetes Controversies surrounding how the pharmaceutical industry has influenced the way medical associations have shaped their diabetes management policies How medical guidelines and dietary advice have evolved What constitutes a healthy diet? How patients often have trouble following diet recommendations, despite their best intentions Is obesity a hormonal disorder or caused by overeating?  Connect with Cynthia Thurlow Follow on X, ⁠Instagram⁠ & ⁠LinkedIn⁠ Check out Cynthia’s ⁠website⁠ Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Gary Taubes On his ⁠website⁠ X ⁠Facebook⁠ Previous Episode Mentioned ⁠Ep. 137 – High Blood Sugar Levels And Its Long-Term Damage with Gary Taubes⁠ Book Mentioned: Rethinking Diabetes: What Science Reveals About Diet, Insulin, and Successful Treatments is available from most bookstores or on ⁠Amazon⁠.

As a nurse practitioner, I feel a deep responsibility to my listeners and community to ensure that every guest I bring on shares accurate, evidence-based information. A few months ago, I decided to remove two podcasts from earlier this year to make way for an expert who could speak specifically and authoritatively on breast cancer health. So, I am honored to welcome Dr. Robin Roth today, better known as The Boobie Docs, on her popular breast health social media platform, where she shares information about breast cancer in a fun and educational way.  Dr. Roth is an associate professor of radiology, specializing in breast and abdominal imaging. She is also the host of The Girlfriend's Guide to Breast Cancer podcast, created to support those navigating a breast cancer diagnosis or caring for a loved one. In our discussion today, we dive into misinformation about breast health and breast imaging. We explore the importance of acknowledging disinformation on social media, risk factors for early breast cancer screening, significant and modifiable risk factors, and the effects of dense breast tissue. We examine breast imaging, exploring ultrasound and mammography, the differences between 2D and 3D mammograms (the gold standard), and when to use MRIs. We clarify why thermography and QT imaging are not the gold standard, and why we need to request different types of imaging modalities. We discuss the importance of screenings, challenges, including diagnoses like DCIS, personalized approaches to breast cancer screening, breast cancer staging, and issues with imaging after mastectomies and with implant placement. Dr. Roth also explains how 80% of breast biopsies end up being benign, how to manage anxiety and callbacks for mammograms, how to understand lab reports in plain language terms, and the benefits of supportive resources like cancerbesties.com. With her expertise and approachable style, Dr. Roth reminds us that proper information can make all the difference when it comes to breast health. You will not want to miss this conversation, especially during Breast Cancer Awareness Month. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: How online platforms fuel confusion around breast health and imaging Disinformation may influence breast cancer screening decisions Modifiable factors that can reduce or increase your risk of breast cancer Why dense breast tissue matters for imaging accuracy Ultrasounds, 2D and 3D mammograms, and MRIs  Thermography and QT imaging are not gold standards Why every individual DCIS diagnosis needs a personalized approach Breast cancer staging and how it guides treatment 80% of biopsies are benign, but still essential How to manage anxiety around callbacks and make sense of lab reports Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Dr. Robyn Roth On her website Social Media: @the boobie docs Preorder a copy of Everyone Has Boobies

Today, I am thrilled to reconnect with a friend and colleague, Dr. Mariza Snyder, to discuss her new book, The Perimenopause Revolution.  In our conversation, we explore some of the most pressing challenges around aging, including shame in a youth-obsessed culture, the lack of research on women’s health, and the physical toll of the aging process. We explain why the menstrual cycle should be considered a fifth vital sign, and what happens when metabolic health begins to decline in midlife, highlighting the value of apps and technology in empowering women to track their cycles. Dr. Mariza clarifies why biometrics, VO₂ Max, DEXA scans, and grip strength matter. She also shares her core pillars of metabolic health and the non-negotiables she believes make the most difference for women navigating the perimenopause-to-menopause transition. I truly enjoyed Dr. Mariza’s book, and I know it will be a powerful resource for women who want to take charge of their metabolic health during perimenopause and beyond. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: How hormonal shifts in midlife can alter energy, mood, and metabolism in unexpected ways Changes that ripple through sleep, stress, and cognition during perimenopause Why, in perimenopause, old diet and exercise strategies often stop working the way they used to  How cultural messages around aging fuel shame and confusion for women How DEXA scans reveal much more about your body composition than weighing yourself does What lab work can reveal about hidden risks  Why you should consider doing bone and muscle scans early in life The benefits of daily strength training for maintaining vitality and independence How regular movement stabilizes energy and glucose levels Why food choices become a critical foundation during midlife transitions Bio:  Dr. Mariza Snyder is a powerhouse advocate for midlife women, leveraging 17+ years as a practitioner, author, and speaker to spark a massive movement for women in perimenopause and beyond. With her top-rated Energized with Dr. Mariza podcast (13 million downloads) and a passionate social media audience with over 400K and 8 million monthly views, she’s a trusted guide—offering science-backed solutions for perimenopause and metabolic health. Her upcoming book, The Perimenopause Revolution (Hay House, October 2025), is the ultimate resource for women ready to take charge of their health and embrace perimenopause with resilience and confidence. Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Dr. Mariza Snyder On her website Energized with Dr. Mariza Podcast The Perimenopause Revolution

I’m honored to reconnect with Dr. Felice Gersh today! She is a multi-award-winning physician with dual board certification in OB-GYN and Integrative Medicine. We connected once before in Episode 221, where we spoke about PCOS and metabolic health. Today, Dr. Gersh joins me to dive into perimenopause and menopause. We discuss various issues surrounding the Women’s Health Initiative and talk about estrogen as a family of hormones, estrogen-mimicking chemicals, synthetic hormones, and oral contraceptives. We get into the importance of thyroid function, the pro-inflammatory state of a loss of estrogen in perimenopause and menopause, and the importance of nutrition and exercise for metabolism. We also speak about the lesser-known changes that occur in menopause, including changes in body odor, constipation, sarcopenia, osteoporosis, and vocal changes.  I intend to invite Dr. Gersh back again to discuss women and mitochondrial health, and then once again to talk about her latest book, Menopause: The Fifty Things You Need to Know.  Stay tuned to find out what menopause really is, and what it does to a woman’s metabolic system. IN THIS EPISODE YOU WILL LEARN: The Women’s Health Initiative study and its devastating effects Differences between synthetic and bioidentical hormones How chronic diseases of aging can be delayed when hormones are incorporated along with other lifestyle refinements What do hormones do? Why every immune cell in the body has receptors for vital hormones Menopause is not defined by a specific moment in time. Changes that occur physiologically during the perimenopause years How hormones can change the perimenopause paradigm  Why perimenopause translates into many sleep issues Phytoestrogens: nature’s gift to women Connect with Cynthia Thurlow Follow onX ⁠Instagram ⁠LinkedIn⁠ Check out Cynthia’s ⁠website⁠  Connect with Dr. Felice Gersh On her website: ⁠Integrative Medical Group of Irvine⁠ Instagram⁠ All of Dr. Gersh’s books are available on ⁠Amazon⁠ ⁠Episode 221 on PCOS with Dr. Felice Gersh⁠

I am delighted to connect with a physician friend and colleague, Dr. Heather Hirsch, today. Dr. Hirsch is an entrepreneur and a board-certified internist by the American Board of Internal Medicine. She is also the Founder and CEO of Health by Heather Hirsch, and has a telemedicine practice offering best-in-class individualized care for perimenopause and menopause. In our discussion, we explore heavy menstrual cycles and the benefits of journaling and shared decision-making. We discuss common and frustrating causes of weight loss resistance in middle age, the power of strength training and adequate protein intake, and estrogen as a metabolic regulator that is intricately linked to many physical systems, including digestion. We also examine how educating clinicians on shifts in estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone during perimenopause could prevent countless ER visits, and we tackle concerns surrounding contraception and pregnancy prevention in perimenopause, a biopsychosocial approach to low libido, and the often-overlooked silent symptoms Dr. Hirsch often sees in perimenopause and beyond. Today’s conversation with Dr. Hirsch is truly invaluable. I highly recommend her Perimenopause Survival Guide, written by an internal medicine doctor extremely well-versed in perimenopause and menopause. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: How hormonal fluctuations disrupt the body and create confusion in perimenopause The benefits of journaling  How hormonal and lifestyle shifts disrupt metabolism, weight, and insulin sensitivity during perimenopause Why body composition changes matter more than your weight How declining estrogen affects insulin resistance, metabolism, and diabetes risk The value of shared decision-making  How hormones, medications, sleep, relationships, and past trauma can cause changes in libido  How siloed healthcare often leaves perimenopause symptoms misunderstood  How irregular ovulation increases pregnancy risk and why hormone therapy is not a contraceptive Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Dr. Heather Hirsch On her website YouTube  Social media: @Heather Hirsch MD

I am thrilled to connect with Anna Runkle today. Anna is known to more than a million subscribers across many platforms as the Crappy Childhood Fairy. For the last 30 years, she has shown people how to heal the symptoms of childhood trauma to live happier, freer, and more fulfilling lives.  In her work, Anna almost always noticed a haunting sense of disconnection from others as an adult symptom of childhood trauma. Today, she shares her story, and we dive into complex PTSD and shame, exploring the adverse childhood event study, dysregulation, and how neglect affects the brain and impacts emotional regulation, memory, and learning. We discuss disconnection as a trauma response, obstacles to isolation, and finding your voice in complex PTSD and menopause. Anna also shares her daily practice and explains how writing helps to regulate the nervous system.  You will love this invaluable conversation with Anna, also known as The Crappy Childhood Fairy, who is a fantastic resource for thousands, if not millions. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: How Crappy Childhood Fairy originated The differences between Complex PTSD and PTSD What does dysregulation look like? Unseen aspects of emotional dysregulation affect daily life Ways that childhood traumas can impact the brain How early trauma often leads to a chronic sense of disconnection Ways those with CPTSD can learn to cope with the stress of dealing with others and start connecting Anna shares her daily practice technique for emotional regulation Why the transition to menopause can be particularly hard for trauma survivors The importance of addressing trauma in healthcare and the need for better education and support for trauma survivors Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X Instagram LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Anna Runkle On YouTube Anna’s book, Re-Regulated, is available on most online bookstores  Pre-order Anna’s new book, Connectability, and insert your receipt number to gain access to exclusive free bonuses.

Today, I am thrilled to reconnect with a previous guest, Dr. Mary Claire Haver.  Dr. Haver is a board-certified OBGYN, a certified menopause provider, and the founder of Mary Claire Wellness, a private medical practice focusing on women in midlife. Her best-selling book, the Galveston Diet, and her latest New York Times best-seller, The New Menopause, are fabulous resources for middle-aged women. In our discussion today, we dive into various aspects of perimenopause, looking at the associated challenges. We discuss factors accelerating ovarian aging, the role of contraception, mental health shifts, and the often delayed diagnosis of premature ovarian insufficiency. We examine the differences between hormone replacement therapy and oral contraceptives, discussing the importance of advocacy for women's health and the benefits of vaginal estrogen. We explore the disparity in federal funding for women's health research, the impact of the Women's Health Initiative, body composition changes, the estrabolome, the 30 Plant Challenge, and the advantages of HRT. Dr. Haver also talks about her preferred supplements.  I'm sure you will find this conversation a valuable resource that you will likely revisit several times. IN THIS EPISODE YOU WILL LEARN: Why perimenopause is so fraught with chaos Some of the factors that hasten ovarian aging How perimenopause causes significant changes in neurotransmitters, leading to cognitive changes The differences between HRT and oral contraceptives How estrogen loss during menopause affects vaginal tissue The benefits of vaginal estrogen for symptoms of menopause  How women's health research funding prioritizes reproduction over menopause and perimenopause How HRT can help with fat loss and muscle mass in postmenopausal women The emergence of eating-disordered behaviors in menopausal women Some of the lesser-known symptoms of menopause and ways to overcome them How HRT could impact the longevity and cognitive health of women Bio: Dr Mary Claire Haver Dr. Mary Claire Haver is a board-certified OB-GYN who has devoted her adult life to women's health. When she began to experience the changes of menopause and mid-life weight gain, she created her online program, The Galveston Diet, which currently has over 80,000 students. The Galveston Diet is the first and only nutrition program in the world created by a female OB-GYN, designed for women in menopause. As part of her ongoing research, she became certified in Culinary Medicine in 2019, specializing in medical nutrition. In 2021, Dr. Haver opened Mary Claire Wellness; the clinic was born out of repeated requests from the Galveston Diet students and Dr. Haver's social media followers for personal guidance.  Dr. Haver lives with her husband and two daughters in Galveston, Texas. She is the author of The Galveston Diet (Rodale; January 10th, 2023). Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on ⁠Twitter⁠, ⁠Instagram⁠ & ⁠LinkedIn⁠ Check out Cynthia’s ⁠website⁠ Submit your questions to ⁠[email protected]⁠ Connect with Dr. Mary Claire Haver On the⁠ Mary Claire Wellness website⁠ ⁠Instagram⁠ ⁠TikTok⁠ ⁠Facebook⁠ ⁠YouTube⁠ Books Mentioned Dr. Haver’s books, ⁠The Galveston Diet⁠ and ⁠The New Menopause ⁠ ⁠The Menopause Brain⁠ and the⁠ XX Brain⁠ by Lisa Mosconi Previous Episode Mentioned ⁠Ep. 308 Dr. Mary Claire Haver: Weight Gain in Middle Age, Perimenopause and Inflammation

Today, I am thrilled to connect with Dr. Elizabeth Yurth. Dr. Yurth is double board-certified, as a physician in physical medicine and rehabilitation in addition to anti-aging and regenerative medicine. With over 30 years of clinical experience, Dr. Yurth continues to lead the way in orthopedics, cellular and regenerative medicine, and the future of aging. In our conversation, we explore immunosenescence and its implications for longevity. We discuss the off-label utilization of medications, including low-dose naltrexone, rapamycin, and GLP-1s, and examine other types of peptides, growth hormone secretagogues, and thymic peptides. We speak about hormones and anabolics, highlighting the benefits of anabolics for the bone health of those with osteopenia and osteoporosis. Dr. Yurth also shares her favorite supplements and outlines the key elements for optimal brain health. This episode is the first of a series of conversations with Dr. Yurth. She will join us again to dive into cardiovascular disease and explore powerful ways to support healthy aging at the cellular level. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: Why the thymus gland shrinks with age and what that means for immunity How thymic peptides support immune health, healing, and recovery The role thymosin alpha-1 plays in modulating the immune system Why thymosin beta-4 must be cycled for safe healing support How IGF (Insulin-like Growth Factor) decline impacts muscles, joints, and the brain with aging How growth hormone secretagogues can safely raise IGF How BPC-157 (a gastric peptide) aids gut repair, musculoskeletal healing, and brain protection Why mitochondrial peptides matter for energy, recovery, and repair How anabolics support bone strength and recovery How creatine and choline support the brain and muscles Bio: Elizabeth Yurth, MD, ABPMR, ABAARM, FAARM, FAARFM, FSSRP, is Co-Founder and Chief Medical Officer of Boulder Longevity Institute, where she has been providing Tomorrow’s Medicine Today to her clients since 2006.  Dr. Yurth obtained her Medical Degree from the University of Southern California Keck School of Medicine, completed her residency at the University of California – Irvine, and her Fellowship in Sports and Spine Medicine from Stanford-affiliated Sports Orthopedics and Rehabilitation (SOAR) in Palo Alto, CA., along with her 30 years as a practicing orthopedist specializing in sports and spine medicine.  Dr. Yurth has made it her mission to learn and share the latest scientific research on how to truly heal the body at the cellular level. She is Fellowship trained in Anti-Aging, Regenerative, and Cellular Medicine. She has completed +500 hours of CME training focused on Longevity, Nutrition, Epigenetics, Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy, Regenerative Peptide Treatments, and Regenerative Orthopedic Procedures.  Dr. Yurth continues to serve as a thought leader in Cellular Medicine, speaking at longevity events across the world and teaching others through her position as a founding faculty member for Seeds Scientific Research and Performance Institute (SSRP), which leads the way in connecting the latest research to clinical practice. Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X, Instagram & LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Dr. Elizabeth Yurth On her website Dr. Yurth on Facebook The Boulder Longevity Institute on Facebook Dr. Yurth on Instagram The Boulder Longevity Institute on Instagram

I am delighted to reconnect with Dr. Stephen Hussey today. He is a Chiropractor and Functional Medicine practitioner who guides his clients back to health using the latest research and health-attaining strategies.  In our conversation, we explore the challenge of chronic pain, discussing how it is assessed, experienced, and managed. We unpack the concepts of coherence and heart rate variability, highlighting the value of optimizing circadian rhythm for managing hormonal changes and pain in perimenopause. Dr. Hussey also shares his perspective on chiropractic care, the nervous system, fascia, and the role of trauma, metabolic health, and environmental factors in healing. Join us as we explore how to navigate chronic pain, support natural healing, and restore balance from the inside out. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN: Why is pain so difficult to treat? How the Flexner Report influenced medical education and contributed to pharmaceutical-based care The breadth and scope of the opioid crisis, and why people become addicted How our bodies perceive pain  Why the fascia is so important, and its role in our physiological processes What is structured water? The link between cellular hydration, metabolic health, and the pain response How obesity and diabetes are directly associated with artificial light exposure How trauma rewires the brain and contributes to chronic pain Dr. Hussey explains the concept of coherence and its importance How pain changes during perimenopause and menopause  Bio: Stephen Hussey Dr. Stephen Hussey, MS, DC, is a Chiropractor and Functional Medicine practitioner. His story of personally healing heart disease using light and environmental health strategies has become an inspiration to many and a calling for change in healthcare. In addition to Chiropractic clinical practice, Dr. Hussey is a health consultant, speaker, and the author of three books on health: The Health Evolution, Understanding the Heart, and Pain Sense. Dr. Hussey guides clients from around the world back to health by using the latest research and health-attaining strategies. Connect with Cynthia Thurlow   Follow on X, Instagram & LinkedIn Check out Cynthia’s website Submit your questions to [email protected] Connect with Dr. Stephen Hussey On his website Social media:@drstephenhussey