
koei and eshin welcome special guest, Grey Kashnig, buddhist scholar and translator, for a conversation about hungry ghosts.
in our humanity, we made a mistake with one of the scrolls we discussed, and Grey offered a correction: "...I realized that I was saying the wrong term to refer to one of the scrolls. I was referring to it as the "jigoku-zoshi" which means "hell scroll." The gaki-zoshi are the "Kōmoto-bon"(河本本) and the "Sōgenji-bon"(曹源寺本)."
The Kōmoto-bon"(河本本) is in the Tokyo National Museum and the Sōgenji-bon"(曹源寺本) is in the Kyoto National Museum. You can view these at the following links:
Kōmoto bon:
https://emuseum.nich.go.jp/detail?&content_base_id=100152
Sōgenji bon:
https://emuseum.nich.go.jp/detail?langId=en&webView=&content_base_id=100951&content_part_id=0&content_pict_id=0
Some of Grey's other work mentioned in the introduction is here:
https://www.buddhistinquiry.org/resources/women-in-the-buddhas-life/
Key Discussion Points:
- Defining Hungry Ghosts: Grey explains that hungry ghosts represent a visceral state of insatiable longing and suffering. They are often depicted with bloated bellies and thin necks, symbolizing a being that can never feel satisfied (5:07 - 6:35).
- The Gaki-zoshi Scrolls: The group discusses two specific gaki-zoshi (hungry ghost scrolls): the Kōmoto-bon and the Sōgenji-bon. Grey notes that these scrolls served as both instructional tools for the aristocracy and visual representations of suffering, famine, and even body horror (3:44 - 4:10, 31:45 - 32:15, 43:15 - 45:15).
- Ritual Practices: The episode covers the origin stories behind rituals to feed hungry ghosts, specifically mentioning the Dharani Sutra of the Burning Face Hungry Ghost. Both Koei (in Shingon Buddhism) and Eshin (in Zen) describe their respective traditions' rituals for making offerings to these beings, emphasizing that these practices are rooted in the act of generosity (18:24 - 29:07).
- Philosophical and Academic Perspectives: The discussion extends into how these figures relate to modern concepts like body horror and the abject (41:11 - 42:06), as well as a critical look at how hungry ghost narratives can sometimes stigmatize physical conditions or simplify the causes of human suffering (55:25 - 57:30).
- Dedication of Merit: The episode concludes with a traditional dedication of merit, extending the benefits of their conversation to all beings (1:02:25 - 1:03:27).
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