S20 E02 Are We Measuring Cyber Talent Wrong?

#SecurityConfidential #DarkRhiinoSecurityChris Clearfield is a Harvard-trained scientist, leadership strategist, and author who specializes in understanding why complex systems fail and how leaders can build more resilient organizations. He's the co-author of Meltdown and author of The High-Altitude Entrepreneur, and has worked with leaders at organizations including Microsoft, Netflix, and Etsy. Through his work coaching founders and executives, Chris helps organizations navigate complexity, improve decision-making, and recognize the hidden challenges that can lead to unexpected failures. 00:00 Intro00:50 Our Guest03:04 Why cybersecurity has to address people and process07:25 The low-altitude cycle and recognizing weak signals11:31 The landscape-supply scam and the power of speaking up14:33 Build an empowered team, not a team of order takers20:06 How trust creates learning and revenue resilience24:16 Why new hires and tools can't fix a control mindset30:25 Entrepreneurial freedom and the life a business should support34:09 Working with tensions instead of chasing quick fixes36:22 AI efficiency, probabilistic systems, and new failure modes42:50 Using AI to make more time for human connection45:15 The Tension Map and a practical leadership exercise----------------------------------------------------------------------To learn more about Chris Clearfield visit https://www.clearfieldleadership.com/https://www.clearfieldleadership.com/tension-mapTo learn more about Dark Rhiino Security visit https://www.darkrhiinosecurity.com----------------------------------------------------------------------SOCIAL MEDIA:Stay connected with us on our social media pages where we'll give you snippets, alerts for new podcasts, and even behind the scenes of our studio!Instagram: @securityconfidential and @DarkrhiinosecurityTwitter: @darkrhiinosecLinkedIn: @dark-rhiino-securityYoutube: @DarkRhiinoSecurity ​

Corey Lancaster is a cybersecurity executive, fractional CISO, four-time published author, entrepreneur, and U.S. Air Force combat veteran. Corey has spent more than 26 years working across federal agencies, defense organizations, and Fortune 500 companies. He's also the author of AI Security Under Fire and an automotive preservation entrepreneur who believes protecting a business has more in common with preserving a classic car than you might expect.  00:00 Intro01:30 Our Guest03:25 The connection between cars and cybersecurity05:45 Key factors in long-term vehicle storage: temperature, humidity, dust08:35 Addressing fears about rogue AI and system control12:15 The challenge of governance in probabilistic AI systems14:45 The importance of morals, ethics, and societal standards in AI23:15 Practical advice for organizations deploying AI securely28:10 User Education30:00 Data containment and offline AI systems for security36:17 AI security consulting and services

Joe Erle is a cyber insurance broker, cybersecurity content creator, and host of the Ransomware Rewind podcast. He specializes in helping businesses understand cyber liability, data breach coverage, and the security practices that can affect their insurability.00:00 Introduction01:44 Our Guest Real-life Ransomware Negotiation and Insurance Role05:42 What do you do if you don't have the money to pay the ransom?08:05 Different Types of Cyber Insurance Policies: First Party, Third Party, and Crime Policies17:11 Business Email Compromise: What are you covered for?22:22 What happens if you don't answer Cyber insurance questions properly?28:03 Key Controls for Cyber Risk Reduction29:29 Ai in Cyber Insurance Coverage31:50 How should a small business be assessing risk for Cyber insurance?37:30 Final Advice and Resources for Businesses

#SecurityConfidential #DarkRhiinoSecurityAnmol Agarwal is a security product manager and host of the podcast AI Security Update specializing in 5G and 6G networks with a focus on AI/ML and API security. An award-winning international speaker, she has delivered over 100 talks across five continents at venues including NASA, AWS, and the United Nations, advising governments, businesses, and nonprofits on cybersecurity, responsible AI, and emerging technologies. Anmol has authored technical papers for prestigious conferences, developed cutting-edge security solutions with a global team, and is passionate about making technology accessible to all. She is a finalist for the 2025 Cybersecurity Woman of the World Awards, and has been recognized with honors such as “Leader of Impact” and “Top Cybersecurity Leader.”00:00 Introduction02:20 Our Guest03:38 Debunking myths about 5G and 6G networks08:14 Security challenges and guardrails in AI systems11:50 Global efforts and collaborations in AI security20:50 API security strategies in the era of AI22:20 Communicating cybersecurity to decision makers23:46 Encouraging diversity and women in cybersecurity25:00 Advice for career changers and newcomers to cybersecurity27:20 Assessing organizational resilience and risk management----------------------------------------------------------------------To learn more about Anmol visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/anmolsagarwal/To learn more about Dark Rhiino Security visit https://www.darkrhiinosecurity.com----------------------------------------------------------------------

#SecurityConfidential #DarkRhiinoSecurityRyan Williams Sr. is a cybersecurity and resiliency risk leader, Air Force veteran, author, and Founder of RAM Cyber Consulting & Assessments. Ryan currently serves as a Risk Manager for a Fortune 50 financial institution and has spent years helping organizations improve cyber resilience, AI governance, and regulatory compliance. He's also the author and co-host of The Other Side of the Firewall, where he shines a spotlight on the people shaping the future of cybersecurity. 00:00 Introduction02:17 Our Guest03:39 Lessons from Military Training in Cybersecurity 04:30 Understanding the Zero Trust Model08:11 The Business Perspective on Cybersecurity08:59 Engaging Decision Makers in Cybersecurity10:00 Understanding Shared Responsibility in Cybersecurity13:00 Business Email compromise and Cyber Insurance14:09 Starting Cyber Resiliency in Small Businesses16:22 Measuring ROI and the Importance of Recovery Planning19:45 The Reality of Backup Failures21:49 Operational vs Technical Cyber Risk24:40 Air Gapping and the Duality of Cybersecurity: Good vs. Bad Actors29:08 Navigating AI Governance and Its Implications34:44 Connecting with Ryan----------------------------------------------------------------------To learn more about Ryan visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryrysecurityguy/To learn more about Dark Rhiino Security visit https://www.darkrhiinosecurity.com

Craig Taylor is a seasoned cybersecurity expert and entrepreneur with nearly 30 years of experience managing risk across industries—from Fortune 500 corporations to SMBs. As the Co-Founder and CEO of CyberHoot, he has pioneered a positive reinforcement approach to cybersecurity education, helping businesses eliminate risky behaviors and build a positive cybersecurity culture. With a background in psychology and extensive experience leading security programs at Chase Paymentech, Vistaprint, and DXC Technology, Craig specializes in incident response, governance, and compliance. A CISSP-certified professional since 2001, he is a recognized thought leader, public speaker, and advocate for making cybersecurity training engaging, fun, and effective.00:00 Introduction02:00 Our Guest02:42 Human Behavior in Cybersecurity08:32 Understanding Learning Taxonomy in Cybersecurity Training10:18 Non-Deception Based Phishing Simulations20:02 The Evolving Threat Landscape with AI31:02 The Psychology of Behavior Change38:00 The Human Element in Cybersecurity43:49 More about Craig

#SecurityConfidential #DarkRhiinoSecurity Dr. Blake Curtis is a cybersecurity governance leader, research scientist, author, and adviser specializing in AI governance, risk management, auditing, and workforce development. He is the author of ISACA’s CISM 17th Edition. Through his work across government, healthcare, commercial, and international organizations, Dr. Curtis helps organizations strengthen governance while developing more effective ways to identify and build cybersecurity talent.00:00 Intro02:10 Our Guest07:03 Is Personal Development or a Title in a company more meaningful?09:59 Managing cultural differences and soft skills14:44 Understanding AI governance and its challenges17:44 Using AI agents in customer support and data access32:16 Educating people about psychological manipulation and AI35:05 The fallacy of experience and certifications48:47 More about Blake----------------------------------------------------------------------To learn more about Blake visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/reginaldblakecurtis/To learn more about Dark Rhiino Security visit https://www.darkrhiinosecurity.com

#SecurityConfidential #DarkRhiinoSecurityChris Nyhuis is the Founder and CEO of Vigilant and has more than 30 years of experience in cybersecurity. He works closely with executives and security leaders to strengthen cyber resilience, improve incident response, and prepare for emerging threats fueled by AI, organized cybercrime, and nation-state actors. Chris is passionate about helping organizations move beyond compliance and build security strategies that address today's real-world risks.00:00 Our Guest05:50 Early Systems and Technologies in Cyber Defense12:36 Understanding the OSI Model and Its Relevance19:43 The Impact of AI on Cyber Attacks22:40 Emerging Threats and Nation-State Actors 30:45 Don’t Throw Responsibility on your Team41:32 Vigilant's Approach and Future Outlook48:54 Contact Information----------------------------------------------------------------------To learn more about Chris visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/chris-nyhuis-34427550/To learn more about Dark Rhiino Security visit https://www.darkrhiinosecurity.com----------------------------------------------------------------------

#SecurityConfidential #DarkRhiinoSecurityDale Meredith Jr. is a cybersecurity educator, ethical hacker, author, and international speaker with more than 25 years of experience. Dale has trained everyone from Fortune 500 companies to the Department of Homeland Security and military organizations, while helping thousands of professionals better understand cybersecurity through his books, courses, and conference presentations.00:00 Our Guest03:10 The evolution of internet infrastructure and early hacking experiences08:56 Biggest flaws in TCP/IP networking today14:39 OSINT and the explosion of data collection22:29 Social media, online activity, and digital footprints30:07 AI's impact on jobs, security, and ethical considerations35:46 The future of AI, regulation, and cybersecurity challenges----------------------------------------------------------------------To learn more about Dale visit https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalemeredith/To learn more about Dark Rhiino Security visit https://www.darkrhiinosecurity.com----------------------------------------------------------------------

Mark Kreitzman is a cybersecurity leader with more than two decades of experience building security companies and protecting organizations from emerging threats. Mark is currently the Chief Cyber Evangelist at Efani, where he's focused on securing one of the most overlooked attack surfaces we all carry every day: our mobile phones. After becoming the victim of a SIM swap attack, Mark turned that experience into a mission to educate others about mobile identity theft, privacy, and why your phone may be your biggest cybersecurity risk.00:00 Introduction to Mark Kreitzman and Mobile Security05:20 Mark's Journey into Cybersecurity and Mobile Tech10:45 The Dot Com Bubble and Mobile Industry Evolution13:37 Legal Challenges and Industry Liability in SIM Swapping18:32 Why Industry Costs Make Security Expensive12:15 The Role of Social Engineering and Insider Threats25:47 Impact of Mobile Hacks on Major Institutions29:54 Global Mobile Coverage and Wi-Fi Calling Features33:11 Cost Comparison: Efani vs Major Carriers40:00 Special Offer for Listeners and Future Topics