
Description: Will Chamberlain talks with David Reaboi, author of The Epstein Conspiracy, about where the claim that Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent blackmailing American elites for Israel actually came from. David traces it to a single source, former Israeli intelligence official Ari Ben-Menashe, and shows how it was seeded, laundered through bestselling books, and amplified by some of the biggest podcasters in the country. The conversation also covers Russian strategist Alexander Dugin’s never-before-translated book on conspiracy theories as a weapon against America, and why the story took off on the right after the 12-day war.
In this episode:
David explains why his book is not about Epstein himself but about one specific lie: that Epstein was a Mossad asset blackmailing American elites into supporting Israel
He traces that lie the way the Cold War Active Measures Working Group traced Soviet disinformation, including the KGB’s Operation INFEKTION, which took two years to travel from a small Indian newspaper to the CBS Evening News
He identifies the source as Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli intelligence official fired in the 1980s, who seeded the Epstein-Mossad claim on an obscure podcast three weeks after Epstein’s death
He shows that Ben-Menashe made the same claim about Robert Maxwell in 1991, the same year congressional investigations found his October Surprise testimony not credible
He walks through other episodes he says undermine Ben-Menashe’s credibility, from a Zimbabwe treason case against Robert Mugabe’s rival to FARA filings listing contracts his supposed clients denied
He explains how the claim was laundered through Gordon Thomas’s bestsellers, Dylan Howard’s Dead Men Tell No Tales, and Whitney Webb’s One Nation Under Blackmail, then amplified on some of the country’s biggest podcasts
He argues the theory collapses on the facts: no evidence, no alleged quid pro quo, and an operation that would have cost a fortune for no clear return
He presents his translation of Alexander Dugin’s book on conspiracy theories, which calls antisemitic conspiracy theories the most potent form of political warfare
He argues Dugin’s strategy is to convince American patriots that their own country is occupied, so that Russia looks like their friend
On whether this is just Russiagate again, David argues Russia was pushing the Trump-Russia story too, and Will connects it to the Steele dossier
He says the Epstein-Mossad narrative hit mainstream conservatism immediately after the 12-day war between Israel and Iran
He closes on why the social media timeline is the enemy of truth, and the AI knowledge project he is building to fight back
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David Reaboi: author of The Epstein Conspiracy · @davereaboi
Will Chamberlain: @willchamberlain
Instagram / TikTok: @counterweightpod
00:00 The man behind the Epstein-Mossad story
01:54 Seeding, laundering and amplification
05:21 Who is Ari Ben-Menashe?
07:34 The October Surprise and Robert Maxwell
12:01 A pathological liar and his FARA filings
16:44 How bestselling books made Maxwell a Mossad agent
19:18 From Dylan Howard to Whitney Webb
21:50 Why no one puts Ben-Menashe on
23:02 Why the Mossad theory makes no sense
30:08 Alexander Dugin’s book on conspiracy theories
37:50 Is this just Russiagate again?
42:52 Why it went mainstream after the 12-day war
46:38 Getting off the social media timeline
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