512: Plant the Damn Apple Tree | Special Edition

What happens when a cidermaker decides to do less and give cider more time? Spencer Morris of Sowams Cider Works in Warren, Rhode Island, makes cider with more than 70 apple varieties, old mechanical rack-and-cloth presses, glass demijohns and a remarkably hands-off approach. Explore still cider, single-varietal apples, long aging on the lees, native fermentation, and why some Sowams ciders aren't released until they are three or four years old. Timestamps *]:pointer-events-auto R6Vx5W_threadScrollVars scroll-mb-[calc(var(--scroll-root-safe-area-inset-bottom,0px)+var(--thread-response-height))] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" data-turn-id="f4dc7e49-9de6-4914-ad45-cd7bb6b521f7" data-turn-id-container="f4dc7e49-9de6-4914-ad45-cd7bb6b521f7" data-testid="conversation-turn-10" data-turn="assistant"> 00:00 Doing Less and Giving Cider Time 00:25 Meet the Guest 01:59 Single Varietal Cider 05:25 News from Ciderville 08:24 Fall Cider Festivals 10:29 Arriving in Rhode Island 12:55 Inside Sowams Cider Works 14:38 Spencer's Cider Story 18:38 Orchard and Rootstocks 22:37 Harvest Timing 24:55 Fermenting in Demijohns 31:59 No Sulfites, No Filtration 35:15 Aging Cider and Favorite Apples 37:07 Storing Apples Before Pressing 37:49 Concentrating the Fruit 38:30 Culling Apples and Sediment 40:53 Hands-Off Fermentation 42:07 Customers and the American Palate 46:15 Rhode Island Heritage Apples 48:53 Tasting the Orchard Blend 51:44 Serving Cider and Batch Numbers 55:03 Blending Apples at the Press 58:04 Tasting Rhode Island Greening 01:01:13 Weather and Vintage Variation 01:02:17 Visit Sowams and Final Thoughts   Listen & Subscribe 🍎 Apple Podcasts 🎧 Spotify ▶️ YouTube Learn More 🌐 Episode show notes: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/513-sowams-cider/ 📰 eCiderNews: https://ciderchat.com/ecidernews Support Cider Chat If you enjoy independent cider journalism and conversations with cider makers from around the world, consider supporting Cider Chat. 🍎 Become a Patron or Commercial Partner: https://www.patreon.com/c/ciderchat Stay Connected 📬 Story tips: [email protected] 📱 Instagram: @ciderchatciderville

Cider Chat MC Ria Windcaller reads her August eCiderNews editorial, Plant the Damn Apple Tree, reflecting on entrepreneurship, uncertainty, abundance, and what an apple tree might teach us about the time in between. FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK: SUMMER 2026 NEWS CYCLE REFLECTIONS Cideries close. People in our community are passing. The weather is never dull. And somewhere in all of that is a question: Knowing how uncertain the outcome is, would you choose otherwise? READ THE ORIGINAL eCIDERNEWS EDITORIAL Plant the Damn Apple Tree https://ciderchat.com/plant-the-damn-apple-tree/ EPISODE 512 TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Editorial Welcome 01:08 Maybe and the News 02:16 Why We Keep Trying 02:43 Cidery Closures Context 03:56 My Entrepreneur Ledger 05:45 Choosing Abundance 07:01 Plant the Apple Tree 07:52 Time and My Mom 08:48 Deal and Sign Off 09:50 Ciderville Outro Chant 🍎 Subscribe to eCiderNews 🎙️ Listen to Cider Chat Support Cider Chat If you enjoy independent cider journalism and conversations with cider makers from around the world, consider supporting Cider Chat. 🍎 Become a Patron or Commercial Partner: https://www.patreon.com/c/ciderchat Stay Connected 📬 Story tips: [email protected]📱 Instagram: @ciderchatciderville

Hungary may not have a centuries-old cider tradition like England or France, but that is exactly what makes its modern cider movement so exciting. In this episode, Cider MC Ria Windcaller travels to Budapest to meet András Kovács and Marcell Lukatsi, founders of Bright Cider, who are helping shape what Hungarian cider can become. From traditional method sparkling cider and heirloom apple varieties to the newly formed Hungarian Cider Association and the country's first-ever Cider Salon, discover how a new generation of makers is defining a distinctly Hungarian cider identity. Along the way, you'll hear how two friends turned a shared love of cider discovered on ski trips into one of Hungary's most innovative cideries, why forgotten local apple varieties matter, and how cider can open the door to unexpected discoveries in art, history, and culture. Timestamps 00:00 Hungary Cider Surprise 01:14 Show Intro and Guests 02:40 Ciderville News Roundup 04:48 French Cider Tour Preview 06:48 Tea Room Interview Setup 10:27 Bright Cider Origin Story 12:14 Naming Bright Cider 13:52 Founders' Backgrounds 19:29 Pandemic Launch and Team 20:31 Traditional Method Focus 22:07 Hungary's Heirloom Apples 26:17 Rosie and Product Lineup 29:24 Vranja Quince Blend 29:58 Cider Lineup Overview 30:43 Ice Cider Cryo Method 31:30 Yeast Choices Explained 32:47 Stainless Steel and Eco Focus 35:50 Events and Finding Bright Cider 37:45 Hungarian Cider Association 39:10 Defining Cider in EU Law 43:03 Apples, Pears and Orchards 47:13 Future Plans in Etyek 50:48 Travel Reflections and Signoff Listen & Subscribe 🍎 Apple Podcasts🎧 Spotify▶️ YouTube Learn More 🌐 Episode show notes: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/511-hungarian-cider-comes-of-age/ 📰 eCiderNews: https://ciderchat.com/ecidernews  Support Cider Chat If you enjoy independent cider journalism and conversations with cider makers from around the world, consider supporting Cider Chat. 🍎 Become a Patron or Commercial Partner: https://www.patreon.com/c/ciderchat Stay Connected 📬 Story tips: [email protected] 📱 Instagram: @ciderchatciderville

Most cider makers dream of expanding their barrel program. Jason Lummen did the opposite. In Episode 510, Ria Windcaller visits The People's Cider Company in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where Jason explains why he shifted from barrel-aged ciders to dry, sessionable ciders that keep people coming back for another round. Along the way, they discuss local apples, pub culture, changing American tastes, and what it means to build a cidery around community rather than complexity. Time Stamps   00:00 Craft Palate Lightens   01:04 Meet Jason Lummen   02:06 Welcome to Cider Chat   04:02 GLINTCAP Reunion Story   06:43 Ciderville News Roundup   10:09 Totally Cider Tours   11:27 Sessionable Success Shift   12:21 Cheers with Pommeau   12:45 Fruit Ridge Apple Sourcing   15:13 Old Orchards vs. Trellis Systems   18:29 Cider Maker Origin Story   23:44 The Pressing "Aha!" Moment   25:49 Tiny Pub, Big Vibe   30:10 House Yeast and Wild Ferments   31:04 The Flavored Cider Debate   32:14 A No-Sulfites Philosophy   33:19 The Shift to Sessionable Cider   33:38 Brick Street Nightclub   35:32 Rethinking the Barrel Program   36:57 Why American Palates Are Changing   39:02 A Toast with Pommeau   39:45 The People's Cider Company Origins   42:24 The Raised Fist Logo   46:16 Winning Over New Cider Drinkers   50:44 COVID and the Patio Lifeline   52:28 Life as a Publican   53:28 The Best Part of the Job   56:37 Contact Info for The People's Cider Company   57:23 Closing Reflections 🍎 Find the full show notes for Episode 510 at CiderChat.com Direct Link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/510-the-peoples-cider-company/ 🎙️ Listen wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss what's coming next in Ciderville. ▶️ Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube for more cider stories, orchard adventures, and global cider culture. 💛 Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP. Become a patron at: https://patreon.com/ciderchat

Episode 509 takes us to the heart of Latvia to meet Dace and Māris Plūme, the husband-and-wife team behind Mr. Plūme, an award-winning orchard cidery known for both still and naturally sparkling ciders. Their journey began with a chance taste of homemade cider that inspired Māris to train in Normandy and Austria before returning home to help shape Latvia's growing fine cider movement. Along the way, they explain why still cider deserves a place alongside sparkling cider, how heirloom apples define their work, the role of wild fermentation, and why patience is one of a cider maker's greatest tools. Ria also shares the latest News from Out and About Ciderville, including updates on CiderCon 2027, eCiderNews, GLINTCAP, orchards around the world, and this fall's French Cider Tour. Ciders tasted: • Semi-Sweet Still Cider • Pearadise Pet-Nat Timestamps 00:00 Still Cider Origins 00:23 Welcome to Cider Chat 02:31 Ciderville News Update 05:42 Orchards Around the World 08:48 Fires and Normandy 10:54 Meet Mr. Plūme 11:55 Latvia and Location 13:17 Māris' Cider Journey 15:34 Latvian Traditions 17:24 Heirloom Apple Abundance 19:29 Orchard and Grafting 22:20 Learning the Craft 25:52 Life as a Married Cidermaking Team 28:01 A Microcidery Philosophy 29:35 Tours and Education 30:59 Bottle Sizes and Sales 31:52 Small Bottles and Hops 32:44 Wild Fermentation 33:27 The Story Behind Their Still Cider 34:44 Reading Latvian Labels 35:35 A Latvian Toast 35:52 Tasting the Still Cider 36:58 Why Still Cider Matters 39:33 Awards and Philosophy 41:44 Yeast and Apple Blends 43:20 The Baltic Cider Scene 47:35 Stopping Fermentation Naturally 48:56 Aging and Storage Challenges 52:23 Pouring Pearadise Pet-Nat 54:40 Flavor Notes and No Sulfites 59:11 Where to Find Mr. Plūme 01:00:40 Thanks and Sign Off 01:02:42 Closing Outro We Like Cider Round

The announcement that CiderCon 2027 will be co-located with the Craft Brewers Conference sparked one of the most active online discussions the cider community has seen in years. In this episode of Cider Chat, ACA Board President Christine Walter joins host Ria Windcaller to discuss why the decision was made, the financial realities facing CiderCon, how the conference will operate alongside the Craft Brewers Conference, and what it means for the future of the American Cider Association. The conversation also explores cider's identity, the role of orchard-based producers and commercial brands, the ACA's current leadership structure, and whether this partnership is intended to become a long-term model. Whether you're planning to attend CiderCon 2027 or simply want to better understand the thinking behind one of the cider industry's biggest announcements, this episode offers an in-depth conversation on where things stand today. Time Stamps 00:00 Why CiderCon Is Co-Locating 00:15 Meet Your Host 01:31 CiderCon 2027 Shakes Up Ciderville 03:29 News Out and About Ciderville 04:51 French Cider Tour Update 08:48 Setting Up the Conversation 10:46 The Future of the American Cider Association 12:41 Why the ACA Chose This Partnership 16:25 Survey Results and Other Options 21:25 Protecting Cider's Identity 21:47 How Co-Location Will Work 28:30 Why Now? Lessons From Providence 32:37 Concerns About Beer Culture 34:46 Safety, Inclusion, and Progress 38:15 Headlines, Keynotes, and Programming 40:36 What Cider Can Learn From Beer 43:42 Big Cider, Small Cider 47:43 Messaging, Tours, and Community 51:46 Leadership and Financial Challenges 56:22 National Conference or Regional Future? 1:01:12 A One-Year Experiment? 1:03:56 An Invitation to Show Up 1:07:08 Host Reflection 1:09:21 Until Next Time in Ciderville 🍎 Find the full show notes for Episode 508 at CiderChat.com Direct Link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/aca-cidercon-2027-questions/ 🎙️ Listen wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss what's coming next in Ciderville. ▶️ Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube for more cider stories, orchard adventures, and global cider culture. 💛 Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP. Your support helps keep Cider Chat on the air and makes it possible to share more conversations like this one. Become a patron at: https://patreon.com/ciderchat

Sometimes all it takes is one sip. It happened to the founders of Woodfolk Cider, Martha Lowry and Alistair Whitehead, and it can happen to YOU! What began as a shared love of food, drink, and hospitality eventually led them to plant orchards, build a cidery, and welcome visitors to their 87-acre farm in Ontario, Canada. Today, their orchard-based cidery sits among forests, rivers, rolling hills, and rows of young cider apple trees and the open invitation to expand your universe one glass at a time. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 The Cider Discovery Moment 00:52 Meet Woodfolk Cider 02:23 French Cider Tour Update 04:49 Secret Tap at Four Phantoms 07:53 eCiderNews Roundup 10:33 Welcome to Woodfolk's Orchard 12:18 The Farm and Family Origins 13:03 From Music and Brewing to Cider 15:09 Distilling, Spirits and Ontario Taxes 17:38 Building the Tasting Room Experience 18:17 The Woodfolk Cider Lineup 19:19 Introducing Tannic Cider to New Drinkers 21:17 The LCBO Challenge for Farm Cideries 24:14 Pressing Apples and Growing Orchards 26:51 Perry Pears, Climate and Terroir 29:22 Harvest-Based Fermentation 29:49 Barrel Aging and Neutral Oak 30:57 Learning From Happy Accidents 32:00 Yeast Choices and Orchard Diversity 33:48 Tasting Meadowland 34:54 Harvest Dates and Labeling Rules 36:23 Cider, Stewardship and Community 40:06 Modern Love Cider 40:39 Copper Moon and the Art of Blending 43:54 Food Pairings and the "Aha" Moment 46:33 Looking Five Years Ahead 48:17 Final Thoughts on Woodfolk Cider 49:55 French Cider Tour Reminder 51:04 Closing Theme Song Contact info for Woodfolk Cider Website: woodfolkcider.com Located near Orillia, Ontario, approximately 90 minutes northwest of Toronto. Mentions in this Cider Chat Totally Cider Tours eCiderNews French Cider Tour 2026 Cider Going Up Patreon Find the full show notes for Episode 507 at CiderChat.com Direct Link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/507-woodfolk-cider-ontario/ Listen wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss what's coming next in Ciderville. Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube for more cider stories, orchard adventures, and global cider culture. 💛 Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP. Your support helps keep the podcast on the air and makes it possible to share more conversations like this one. https://patreon.com/ciderchat

Richard Yi of Brooklyn Cider House isn't interested in making cider that appeals to everyone. He's interested in making cider with personality and if you've ever enjoyed hearing a cider maker tell the story behind the glass, you're going to enjoy this conversation. In this epiosde, you'll hear how a young man who once imagined a future in engineering found his way into the family cider business. Richard shares the influence of his father, Peter Yi, the evolution of Brooklyn Cider House, and why embracing the unpredictability of fermentation has become central to his philosophy. Along the way, we discuss: • Growing into a family cider legacy • The transition from engineering to fermentation • Why cider doesn't need to taste the same every year • Orchard expression and vintage variation • The role of trust in fermentation • Brooklyn Cider House's approach to craft and authenticity • Building a cider culture that values difference over uniformity Whether you're a cider maker, orchardist, or simply someone who enjoys discovering what makes a cider unique, Richard offers thoughtful insights into the balance between tradition, experimentation, and family. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Cider With Personality: Richard Yi's Approach to Craft Cider 01:34 Ciderville Standards Update 03:19 French Cider Tour 2026 Preview 04:50 Meet Richard Yi of Brooklyn Cider House 05:44 Family Roots, Wine, and the Path to Cider 07:23 Richard's Food Pairing Philosophy 09:31 Working Inside Brooklyn Cider House 10:43 Succession Planning and Learning the Craft 14:23 Building the New Paltz Farm and Orchard 17:28 Creating a Destination Tasting Room 18:27 Pizza, Barbecue, and Growing Crowds 21:10 Events and Community Building 23:15 Celebrating Korean Culture Through Cider 25:21 Craft Cider Versus Commodity Production 26:05 Native Yeast Fermentation and Cider Making 30:03 Wild Fermentation Versus Cultured Yeast 30:44 Small-Batch Ciders and Limited Releases 31:25 The Story Behind Nomad Cider 33:19 Nomad Cider Tasting Notes 35:24 Apples, Oak, and Barrel Aging 37:37 Sherry Cask-Aged Cider Explained 39:28 Lopez de Heredia and Winemaking Influence 42:15 Dance: A Basque-Inspired Fruit Co-Ferment 43:58 Dance Cider Tasting Notes and Technique 48:31 Innovation, Growth, and Consumer Trends 49:56 The Legacy of Peter Yi 51:17 Tandem Ciders Joins the CiderGoingUP Campaign 53:21 Cider Chat Summer Schedule and What's Next Mentions in this Cider Chat Tandem Cider in Michigan joing the #ciderGoingUp campaign 2026 French Cider Tour Ganzenhof Cider – Belgium eCiderNews Find the full show notes for Episode 506 at CiderChat.com Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/506-richard-yi/ Listen to wherever you get your podcasts and don't forget to subscribe so you never miss what's coming next in Ciderville. Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube for more cider stories, orchard adventures, and global cider culture. 💛 Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP - by supporting Cider Chat. Your support helps keep the podcast on the air and makes it possible to share more conversations like this one. #cidergoingup

There is a question that keeps coming up in cider, small business, and independent media: Is this sustainable? In this episode, Ria sits down with Adrian Luna, known as the Hard Cider Guy, for a conversation that goes well beyond cider. What starts as a discussion about content creation quickly turns into something deeper. Two practitioners, each with their own discipline, circling around the same hard truth: if you do not value your work, no one else will. This is not about rejecting collaboration or generosity. It is about understanding the long-term cost of working for free, and what it takes to build something that lasts. From orchard life to media strategy, from martial arts philosophy to the realities of burnout, this episode asks what it really means to take your role seriously, whether you are making cider or telling its story. Timestamps 00:00 Is Cider Work Sustainable 01:28 Episode Theme and What's at Stake 02:12 Orchard Life and Spring Work 03:47 Planting, Grafting, and Growing Trees 07:02 French Cider Tour and Limited Spots 10:22 Meet Adrian Luna The Hard Cider Guy 11:20 The Cider Sensei Mindset 13:42 Finding Cider and Career Shift 15:51 Building the Hard Cider Guy Brand 17:21 From Scholarship to Cider Career 19:13 Too Many Hats Small Business Reality 20:53 Burnout in Cider and Media 24:20 Mission Statement Versus Making Money 26:03 Does Cider Need Independent Media 27:54 Should Creators Be Paid 29:32 Why You Should Not Work for Free 29:59 Martial Arts Discipline and Cider Ethics 30:50 Why Cider Media Needs Support 32:24 Finding Your Lane in Cider 33:16 Education and Audience Building 35:29 Hooks Versus Authentic Content 37:19 Discipline Through Adversity 42:33 Community Responsibility in Cider 48:15 Key Takeaways from the Conversation 49:12 Support Cider Chat and Keep It Going 50:12 Strange Apples Outro Find the full show notes for Episode 505 at CiderChat.com Direct Link at: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/505-cider-senseis-media-value/ Listen wherever you get your podcasts and do not forget to subscribe so you never miss what is coming next in Ciderville. Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube for more cider stories, orchard adventures, and global cider culture. Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP by supporting Cider Chat. Your support helps keep the podcast on the air and makes it possible to share more conversations like this one.

What happens when breweries start making cider… not because they have to, but because they want to keep drinking beer? That question kicks off episode 504 featuring Dan Kramer and Ben Anhalt of Element Brewing Company. "Most breweries probably see cider as a way to let them continue making beer." That line says a lot. And it opens the door to a bigger conversation. Breweries adding cider isn't just about diversification. It's not just about gluten-free taps. And it's definitely not just about adding another SKU. Something is shifting. In this episode, we dig into: • Why breweries are turning to cider right now • What changing consumer habits have to do with it • How cider fits into a beer-first business model • What this trend means for independent cider makers At Element, cider isn't an afterthought. It's part of a strategy to stay relevant in a changing market and a window into where craft beverages may be heading next. Time Stamps 00:00 Why Breweries Are Making Cider 02:01 Season Travels Recap and Road Notes 04:44 Tours, Travel Updates, and France Signup 06:44 Meet Element Brewing Company 07:07 From Brewing to Distilling: The Origin Story 10:43 Barrels, Aging, and Apple Brandy 15:37 Sourcing Cider and Apples for Production 19:23 Why Breweries Are Adding Cider Now 23:53 Branding and the Element Two Concept 25:44 South Deerfield Expansion Plans 29:13 Cider Making Mindset 29:40 Tasting a Dry Botanical Cider 30:36 Yeast Choices and Sweetness Strategy 32:15 Balance First: Building Flavor 33:38 ABV, Structure, and Serving Glassware 34:59 Learning Curve and Cider Books 35:50 Apple Varieties, Terroir, and Flavor 38:33 Experimentation and Small Batch Cider 41:12 Personal Palates and Fridge Favorites 42:40 The Bigger Shift: Breweries Moving to Cider 46:00 Advice: Make Your Cider Stand Out 48:53 Apple Brandy Toast 49:40 Why Independent Cider Media Matters 51:54 Tom Oliver and 500 Episodes 53:00 #CiderGoingUp Campaign 53:45 Final Sign-Off Find the full show notes for Episode 504 at CiderChat.com Direct link: https://ciderchat.com/podcast/504-breweries-making-cider-element/ Mentions in this episode: Totally Cider Tour to France Listen wherever you get your podcasts Prefer to watch? Find Cider Chat on YouTube 💛 Enjoy cider? Help keep #ciderGoingUP