#409 Sande Golgart: Climbing the Wrong Mountain — Part One

Before founding Bayer Strategic Consulting, Mark Bayer led communications on Capitol Hill for nearly two decades—helping politicians cut through noise, make arguments stick, and win support under pressure. These days, he brings that hard-earned clarity to a new crowd: scientists, researchers, and PhDs who need to get their message across in rooms that don’t speak science.In Part One, Mark unpacks why so many highly educated experts still struggle to connect—and why messaging isn’t about making things simpler, but sharper. He shares stories from Congress, contrasts the cultures of academia and advocacy, and reveals the single most important mindset shift for researchers who want to be heard.Key Highlights of Our Interview:First Day in Politics, First Misunderstanding“I thought ‘R&D’ meant research and development. It meant Republicans and Democrats.”What getting thrown into the deep end of political culture taught him about insider language.The 8% Reality Check“Only 8% of PhDs stay in academia. But the training assumes 100% will.”Why the pipeline is broken—and who’s getting left behind.From Data Dump to Message Discipline“Academics want to show the depth of their knowledge. But the real skill is answering the question in front of you.”How political strategy flips the communication playbook.Beauty Doesn’t Equal Buy-In“You can build something beautiful. But if it doesn’t solve a stakeholder’s problem, it won’t land.”Why relevance trumps brilliance.You’ve Got 10 Seconds“Start with the point. Don’t make them dig for it.”Why headlines—not history lessons—open doors.Communication as a Career Lever“This isn’t soft stuff. It’s the stuff that gets you hired.”How learning to communicate is learning to lead._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Mark Bayer  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

After decades of chasing external wins, Sande Golgart decided to stop running. In Part Two, he shares the uncomfortable, intentional work of stepping back—what it took to unplug from achievement addiction and start redesigning a life that fits from the inside out.This isn’t a story about reinvention through ambition. It’s a blueprint for growth through subtraction: less noise, more clarity; fewer roles, deeper connection; no hustle, just truth. From mending his marriage to redefining success, Sande opens up about what he calls “Life Peels”—and why letting go is the new way up.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Listening Over Learning“I wasn’t trying to fix anything. I just got quiet and listened.”**Sande explains how stepping back from self-optimization gave him the clarity he had missed for years.The Life Peels Method“David was always in the marble. Michelangelo just removed what wasn’t him.”**He introduces his philosophy of growth by subtraction—peeling away the excess to uncover what truly fits.When Growth Isn’t More“I’ve had enough of strategy decks and hero stories. I want to feel ease in my own skin.”**Why he redefined ambition not as stacking wins but as feeling aligned, grounded, and whole.Relearning Partnership“When the noise died down, we both realized we’d never had stillness before.”**How the transition to an empty nest revealed unspoken gaps in his marriage—and led to new connection.Letting Life Lead“I used to control everything. Now I just pay attention—and things unfold better than I planned.”**What happened when he stopped pushing for outcomes and started trusting the process._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Before he became a coach and founder, Sande Golgart was addicted to acceleration. He said yes to every challenge, thrived in high-stakes boardrooms, and made a name for himself as a relentless performer. But behind the energy and accolades, something didn’t sit right.In Part One, Sande retraces his early life as a dunk contest champion, his rise through the corporate ranks, and the moment he realized the game he was winning wasn’t one he wanted to keep playing. What started as hustle became habit. What looked like progress felt like pressure. And what came next was a reckoning.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Playing to Win—Even in a Suit“I approached sales the same way I approached dunk contests: high energy, no fear, go all in.”How a competitive spirit helped Sande rise fast—but also masked the cost.Yes Man Syndrome“I never said no. I didn’t even know what no sounded like.”Why overcommitment isn’t ambition—it’s avoidance in disguise.Movement as a Mask“As long as I kept moving, I didn’t have to think. Stillness scared the hell out of me.”When action becomes a coping mechanism, not a strategy.The Wrong Summit“You keep pushing for the top, then get there and realize… it’s not your mountain.”Sande explains the disorienting moment that sparked his pivot.Forgotten Self“I knew my job title. I knew my revenue targets. But I couldn’t tell you what I liked.”How busyness blurred his sense of identity—and what came next._____________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Sande Golgart  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. In Part 2, Jodi shares the emotional (and practical) shift from parenting full-time to rediscovering your own interests. She walks us through her signature DARE Method and dishes out real talk on marriage, identity, and why your kids aren’t your best friends (even if you really, really like them).This isn’t just an episode about empty nests. It’s about refilling your own life—on your own terms.Key Highlights of Our Interview:“You’re always their mom—but not always their problem-solver.”Letting go means shifting from fixer to coach, giving your adult kids space—and yourself permission to grow.Best Friend? Nope. Mom Forever.“They have friends. What they need is a parent who actually knows when to walk away.”Jodi explains why clinging to closeness can backfire—and how healthy detachment brings deeper connection.The Real Empty Nest Challenges“It’s not just missing them. It’s not knowing who you are without them.”It’s not about quiet halls—it’s about a loud identity crisis. Jodi breaks down the emotional vacuum no one warns you about.The DARE Method“Decide. Awaken. Reimagine. Experience.”Jodi’s four-step formula to reclaim your identity—starting with a brain dump, not a five-year plan.Rediscovering You“What did you used to like—before you were someone’s plus one?”She urges listeners to list lost joys, try without judgment, and welcome failure as a doorway to rediscovery.Day Swaps, Not Date Nights“Plan a day around what lights them up. You’ll learn more than any heart-to-heart.”From partners to adult children, this method rebuilds connection through shared experiences and mutual curiosity._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Jodi Silverman never expected reinvention to arrive between carpools and client meetings. But once her kids left and the hustle paused, she realized success had masked something deeper: restlessness. In this episode, Jodi shares how she walked away from a print business, wrestled with guilt, and built Moms Who Dare—a movement for women redefining purpose in the second half of life. This isn’t about motherhood or milestones. It’s about refusing to shrink when your old identity no longer fits.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Accidental Entrepreneur“I had no business background. I didn’t even know what the word ‘entrepreneur’ meant.”What started as a favor to a friend turned into Jodi’s first business—and taught her that grit beats a business plan.The Silent Shock of an Empty Nest“Suddenly, I had all this time. And I didn’t know who I was without the doing.”With her kids grown, the quiet forced Jodi to confront the identity she had deferred for years.The Dare That Sparked a Movement“I dared myself to figure out what I wanted. And I didn’t stop until I did.”The origin story of Moms Who Dare wasn’t about strategy—it was about survival and self-permission.From Guilt to Growth“I felt guilty for wanting something more. But I also knew: guilt doesn’t mean you’re wrong.”Jodi confronts the emotional friction of wanting purpose beyond parenting—and what it took to say it out loud.Midlife Isn’t a Crisis—It’s a Crossroads“This stage of life? It’s not the end of the story. It’s the best chapter if you let it be.”Redefining the narrative around aging, purpose, and starting over—without the clichés._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Jodi Silverman  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall. In Part 2, we unpack how Richard’s 39-step framework came to life—from a career shaped by failures to a model refined by fieldwork. Richard explains why he borrowed diagnostic tools from medicine, how COVID and AI are reshaping his thinking, and what consultants often forget: you’re not there to impress, you’re there to listen. It’s a masterclass in what it really takes to move people—and systems—without losing your common sense.Key Highlights of Our Interview:The Model That Stuck“Every step in the 39 comes from something that broke.”Richard’s framework isn’t theoretical—it’s field-tested.You’re Not a Consultant. You’re a Doctor.“I borrowed from the NIH diagnostic model.”Why organizational dysfunction is more like illness than inefficiency.Don’t Skip the Kickoff“You don’t send an email. You sit down, answer questions, get buy-in.”The part of change most leaders rush—and shouldn’t.AI Isn’t a Leader“You can’t automate trust. You can’t outsource belief.”His biggest concern about the rise of artificial intelligence.How Change Shows Up at Home“I told my boss I was going back to school. He said no. I quit.”Why he applies his own model to life, not just work.Listen Like It Matters“I don’t need your advice—I need you to hear me.”The line from his wife that became a leadership principle._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Richard H. Carson  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Before Richard Carson wrote The Book of Change, he was writing letters to newspaper editors and fixing chaos in city hall. In Part One, he retraces the early detours—from archaeology hopeful to urban planner to accidental consultant. With every chapter, one theme stayed constant: real change happens when you stop assuming and start listening. Whether it’s a time-tracking nightmare or a consultant who forgot to swap client names in the proposal, Richard’s stories cut through the noise to reveal why change fails—and what to do instead.Key Highlights of Our Interview:From Trowels to Town Halls“I was studying archaeology. Then I realized I liked systems, not shovels.”Why solving institutional puzzles beat digging for ancient ones.Everyone’s Lying—But They Don’t Mean To“The problem they describe is never the actual problem.”Richard explains why surface issues are just the smoke, not the fire.The Timecard Horror Story“They tracked every 15 minutes. It was organizational madness.”A micromanagement case study that went down in flames—and what it taught him about autonomy.Consulting Found Him First“One day I was hiring consultants. The next, I became one.”A random audit leads to a career revelation.Communication Rule #1: Pass the Grocery Store Test“If you can’t explain it in plain English in front of the broccoli stand, it’s too complicated.”What city planning taught him about clarity—and why most leaders flunk this test.Crisis Is a Terrible Thing to Waste“People don’t want to change unless there’s blood on the floor.”How to turn urgency into alignment without fearmongering._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Richard H. Carson  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

What does it really mean to follow your heart—without losing your head? Lora Chow shares how her music venture, Virtuoso Fiesta, brings classical music to new audiences while keeping its soul intact. She opens up about funding live concerts, launching her new album Reveries on Ivories, and composing as a form of storytelling. This is more than a career pivot—it’s a case study in blending logic and intuition, technology and art, structure and spirit.Whether you’re chasing harmony or still stuck in the noise, Lora’s story will tune you back in.>>Reveries on Ivories (New Album) by Lora ChowApple | Spotify | YouTube | AmazonKey Highlights of Our Interview:The Head Doesn’t Disappear—It Backs You Up“I still use my analytical skills. I just apply them to something more personal now.”Why Lora’s shift into music was powered by belief, not rebellion.Virtuoso Fiesta: Where High Art Meets Real Joy“Fiesta means party—and we want classical music to feel that way.”The mission to make elite music more inviting, not intimidating.Composing for Peace, Not Just Performance“We write music that addresses social issues and inspires change.”When harmony becomes a form of activism.Patronage and Purpose“We invest everything back into creating great music.”How the business model of Virtuoso Fiesta is built on community support and access.Tech with a Soul“AI can mimic sound. But it doesn’t have feelings.”How Lora uses AI as a tool—without letting it replace the human connection.Pen, Paper, and Confidence“You need to believe it’s possible before anyone else does.”Journaling, meditation, and why belief is the real starting point of change._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Lora Chow (YouTube Channel)  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

Lora Chow didn’t abandon ambition—she just rewrote its score. In this episode, we trace her unusual arc from elite finance to classical composition. She opens up about choosing Yale over Cambridge, chasing Wall Street dreams, and what it really took to reclaim her voice—literally. This isn’t a story about dropping out or burning out. It’s about tuning into the parts of yourself that never stopped playing.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Choosing Yale Over Cambridge Wasn’t Just About Prestige“My heart wanted music. But my mom majored in math—and Hong Kong wanted finance.”Lora opens up about the early tension between cultural expectation and personal calling.Fitting Into the Ivy League Mold—Until It Didn’t“Everyone was applying to Morgan Stanley. I followed the crowd—and got the job.”At Yale, ambition and conformity collided. She got the offer, but the itch for music never left.A Grand Piano, a Grand Salary—But Something Felt Off“I loved music. But I also wanted a home with a grand piano.”Trading dreams for stability was logical—but it came with a cost.Silence Sparked the Return to Sound“I lost my voice for a year. That’s when I started composing.”An unexpected health detour brought her back to the keyboard.Bulgaria, Opera, and a Creative Awakening“A summer program opened a door I hadn’t dared to knock on before.”A trip abroad flipped the script—and planted the seed for Reveries on Ivories._______________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Lora Chow (YouTube Channel)  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<

You’ve admitted the career no longer fits. Now what?In Part Two, Helen Hanison, former global PR executive turned executive career coach, walks us through what real change takes—beyond pep talks and pivot memes. She unpacks her three-act framework (Alignment, Redesign, and Transformation), explains why people cling to jobs they secretly loathe, and warns against the “anchor bias” that keeps us chasing the same dream long after it’s stopped making sense.From spotting your outdated success scripts to mapping out future obstacles, Helen makes the case that career reinvention isn’t linear—it’s a zigzag of bold choices, mindset shifts, and quiet resilience. If you’re ready to do the inner work instead of just tweaking your LinkedIn title, this episode is your field guide.Key Highlights of Our Interview:Alignment Before Action“If you skip alignment, you’re just kicking the wrong can down the road.”Why getting unstuck starts with strengths, values, and purpose—not a job board scroll.Beware the Anchoring Trap“The first idea you fall in love with? It’s probably not the right one.”How to test-drive multiple versions of your future instead of clinging to the shiny one.Redesign as a Contact Sport“Agile career design means you keep moving, even when the path gets messy.”Helen shares how mini-experiments and pilot tests beat fantasy-level planning.The Psychology of Not Quitting“Hitting the wall isn’t failure. It’s a push-off point.”Hope Mapping, resilience habits, and the real mindset work behind meaningful transformation.Outgrowing the Old Career Narrative“Perseverance is not always noble—it can be your trap.”Letting go of the stories, scripts, and social prescriptions that no longer serve you.________________________Connect with us:Host: Vince Chan | Guest: Helen HanisonHelen's website: https://www.helenhanison.com  --Chief Change Officer--Change Ambitiously. Outgrow Yourself.Open a World of Expansive Human Intelligencefor Transformation Gurus, Black Sheep,Unsung Visionaries & Bold Hearts.EdTech Leadership Awards 2025 Finalist.18 Million+ All-Time Downloads.80+ Countries Reached Daily.Global Top 1.5% Podcast.Top 10 US Business.Top 1 US Careers.>>>170,000+ are outgrowing. Act Today.<<<