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How to Build Better AI Evals with Claude Code in 5 Steps | Shreya & Hamel

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Shreya and Hamel teach the industry standard course for AI evaluations taken by 4,500+ students from OpenAI, Google, and more. In our interview, I asked them to give live feedback on the AI evals that I built for my skills and demo how anyone can run evals with ChatGPT/Claude and their free evals skill. Don’t miss this up to date primer on evals from the real experts. 🙂


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We talked about:

(00:00) Why AI evals are completely different now with the latest models

(02:30) Demo: Live audit of the evals that I built for my AI skills

(05:14) Top down vs. bottom up evals and why AI sucks at the latter

(08:16) Spinning up AI agents to grade each eval criteria

(14:32) Demo: Using Shreyas AI skill to run evals in Claude

(23:46) How to review output labels to identify failures

(34:37) How to turn failures into reusable evals

(43:19) Where human judgement is still needed


Resources mentioned:

Free eval skills from Shreya: https://github.com/ai-evals-course/evals-skills

Do automated evals work?: https://parlance-labs.com/blog/posts/auto-evals/


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Where to find Shreya and Hamel:

Shreya: https://www.sh-reya.com/

Hamel: https://hamel.dev/


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