Capitol Gains: The Beatles' Records in America, with Author Andrew Cook (Part 2)

Today we’re bringing you part two of our interview with Andrew Cook, author of the new book Capitol Gains: Exposing the Conflict between the Beatles and the Record Label that Made Them. In part one, we dug into the many myths surrounding the Beatles signing to Capitol Records, and Andrew walked us through the new information he uncovered about how that historic deal actually came together. We also talked about Dave Dexter, the Capitol A&R man with the dubious distinction of rejecting the Beatles four separate times before the label finally said yes. And we explored the massive marketing campaign Capitol launched to turn Beatlemania into an American phenomenon ahead of those first appearances on The Ed Sullivan Show. So if you haven’t heard part one yet, you may want to go back and start there for the full story. Today we pick up where that conversation left off — with the Beatles’ relationship with Capitol after the breakthrough. We talk about Dave Dexter’s continuing role at the label, the infamous Butcher Cover, and how things evolved in the later years as the band renegotiated their contract. We also look at how Capitol’s relationship with the Beatles changed after Brian Epstein’s death, when the notoriously controversial Allan Klein stepped in as manager. Capitol Gains is out now, wherever you get your books. Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Preorder Erika's new book! Meat the Beatles: The Butcher Cover —The Complete, Untold Story of the Fab Four's Most Controversial Album Artwork Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]

Today we’re joined by Andrew Cook, author of the new book Capitol Gains: Exposing the Conflict Between The Beatles and the Record Label That Made Them — part one of a two-part conversation. If you think you already know the story of how The Beatles conquered America, this book might surprise you. Capitol Gains takes a deep dive into the complicated, occasionally combative, and hugely consequential relationship between the Beatles and Capitol Records in the 1960s. Andrew explores Capitol’s early refusals to release the band in the U.S., the strange and sudden shift that led to their American breakthrough, the aggressive marketing campaign that helped manufacture U.S. Beatlemania, and the decision to reshape the Beatles’ catalogue for American audiences — new tracklists, new mixes, new covers, new everything. Drawing on corporate archives, private papers, and previously unseen material, the book re-examines some of the most persistent myths in Beatles history — and raises big questions about who really controlled the narrative, the money, and the music during those formative years. Andrew Cook is the author of fifteen published books covering a wide range of 19th- and 20th-century history, from British intelligence agencies to the Romanovs, Jack the Ripper, and the Great Train Robbery. His work has led to more than twenty films and documentaries since his first book was published in 2002. His 2013 book The Great Train Robbery: The Untold Story from the Closed Investigation Files inspired a Channel 4 documentary and the acclaimed Chris Chibnall dramas A Robber’s Tale and A Copper’s Tale, starring Jim Broadbent and Luke Evans. He’s written for The Times, The Guardian, The Independent, BBC History Magazine, and History Today — and now he’s turned his archival instincts toward one of the most fascinating business relationships in rock history.   Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]

This episode is Part Two of our 12-part series, Beneath the Surface: The Beatles in 1966, a year-long, month-by-month look at the band’s most transformational year. February 1966 continues the strange calm at the start of the year. There are no riots. No screaming headlines. No dramatic breakups or public meltdowns. Instead, the changes are quieter — but no less significant. George Harrison and Pattie Boyd slip away to Barbados for their honeymoon, marking a new chapter in George’s personal life. Brian Epstein turns his attention to producing a play, widening his ambitions beyond managing the biggest band in the world. And Paul McCartney continues his immersion into London’s cultural underground — one night seeing Stevie Wonder in concert, another attending avant-garde composer Luciano Berio’s lecture — steadily expanding the artistic influences that will soon reshape the Beatles’ sound. But the most important development of February 1966 happens on the page. Journalist Maureen Cleave begins writing an extraordinary series of five individual profiles — one for each Beatle, and one for Brian — unusually intimate pieces for pop stars at the time. Rather than treating the band as a single unit, Cleave captures them as four increasingly distinct individuals, each evolving in different ways at a critical turning point in their lives and careers. She also offers a rare and revealing portrait of the complicated, foundational bond between the Beatles and Brian Epstein. In this episode, we dive into each profile and examine how Cleave’s observations quietly document a band in transition — and how one of those interviews, with John Lennon, will echo far beyond February, ultimately igniting the “more popular than Jesus” controversy that explodes in America later that summer. The surface still looks calm. But the fault lines are becoming visible.   About the series: On the surface, 1966 begins like peak Beatlemania: hit records, big plans, and a global machine that still seems unstoppable. But underneath, everything is starting to shift. Over the course of the year, we’ll watch as touring becomes untenable, old identities fall away, new artistic ambitions take hold, and the band slowly, and sometimes reluctantly, becomes something entirely different. Each episode explores one month in 1966, tracing the small decisions, strange moments, cultural collisions, and personal turning points that — piece by piece — reshape the Beatles’ music, image, and inner lives. This isn’t the story of a single break, but of a gradual reveal: the year the surface finally started to crack.   Further reading: Want to dive deeper into the fascinating twists and turns of 1966? We highly recommend Beatles ’66: The Revolutionary Year by Steve Turner, which serves as a major source and foundational text for this series — and one of the best deep dives into this pivotal year in the band’s history.   Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]

This episode is Part One of our 12-part series, Beneath the Surface: The Beatles in 1966, a year-long, month-by-month look at the band’s most transformational year. In January 1966, everything about the Beatles still looked exactly the way it was supposed to. They were dominating the charts, talking about new albums, new tours, and even a third movie. Beatlemania wasn’t just alive — it was still the business model. But underneath all that… things were already starting to bend. This month, we’re kicking off a year-long series where we follow the Beatles month by month through 1966 — the year they quietly, weirdly, and then very loudly became a completely different band. And in January, the changes are subtle, but they’re everywhere. The movie that’s supposed to happen starts drifting out of focus. Touring starts to feel more like a trap than a triumph. And each Beatle is beginning to pull in a slightly different direction — from Paul’s dive into the London art and intellectual scene to George settling into married life with Pattie Boyd. It all still looks like Beatlemania as usual. But the machinery is starting to creak. This is the first chapter of the year the Beatles stopped being the band the world thought they knew.   About the series: On the surface, 1966 begins like peak Beatlemania: hit records, big plans, and a global machine that still seems unstoppable. But underneath, everything is starting to shift. Over the course of the year, we’ll watch as touring becomes untenable, old identities fall away, new artistic ambitions take hold, and the band slowly, and sometimes reluctantly, becomes something entirely different. Each episode explores one month in 1966, tracing the small decisions, strange moments, cultural collisions, and personal turning points that — piece by piece — reshape the Beatles’ music, image, and inner lives. This isn’t the story of a single break, but of a gradual reveal: the year the surface finally started to crack.   Further reading: Want to dive deeper into the fascinating twists and turns of 1966? We highly recommend Beatles ’66: The Revolutionary Year by Steve Turner, which serves as a major source and foundational text for this series — and one of the best deep dives into this pivotal year in the band’s history.   Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected].

It's been a minute, and we're back with a new season! This year, we're focusing the transformational year of 1966 — tracking the Beatles' lives, month-by-month.  In this preview episode, we catch up on our time away, including Allison's trip to Egypt and Erika's announcement about her upcoming Butcher Cover book! We then set the context for our look into 1966 by seeing where the Beatles are in December, 1965, as they prepare to embark on an astounding year of growth and change. --------------------- Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected].

Another crazy month for us Beatles fans! This episode, we’re going through the Beatles’ new vinyl releases, including the brand-new Mono box set and its breakouts. (Which you can win in our special holiday giveaway!) We also review the new Disney+ doc, Beatles ’64, premiering Nov. 29. We’re giving you our thoughts on this remastered, remixed look into the Beatles’ US debut in February 1964 - be sure to give us yours via email or socials! Note: This review contains spoilers for Beatles '64. To avoid spoilers and go straight to our final thoughts, skip to 56:39. Enter the giveaway: http://bcthebeatles.tumblr.com/giveaway __________________________ Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]

We’re back from our summer break and are so excited to welcome author Madeline Bocaro. Madeline is a music journalist with a lifelong admiration for Yoko Ono. Her new book, In Your Mind - The Infinite Universe of Yoko Ono, tells the story of her amazing life, struggles, art, activism, films and music in astounding detail. The book dives deep into Yoko’s life before, during, and after her relationship with John, highlighting her childhood in Japan during wartime, her art, films, music and work for peace and women's rights. It also explores the misunderstanding and undeserved negativity that Ono has received throughout her life as an Asian woman and as the wife of one of the Beatles.   The book has received rave reviews, with Spill magazine calling it, “The Bible on Ono.” It’s also earned a place in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame library and archives. But perhaps most telling are the comments from those close to Yoko herself. Elliot Mintz, Yoko’s longtime friend and former publicist said, “The book is a masterpiece… mandatory reading for anyone seeking insight into a woman like no other.” And Sean Lennon commented, “We love your book! It’s beautiful. Thank you for caring enough to be so meticulous.”   Learn more about the book and get a signed hardcover copy at http://conceptualbooks.com Get your free tickets to Madeline’s event at Englewood Public Library in Englewood, NJ _____________________ Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bctheb

We’re still on our summer break, so we’re bringing you a preview of our recent appearance on one of our favorite podcasts, Ranking the Beatles. This episode keeps the Let it Be vibes going and discusses "One after 909," ranked #85 on Ranking the Beatles' list. Listen to the full episode and subscribe to Ranking the Beatles here. About Ranking the Beatles: Musician and self-described Beatles fanatic Jonathan Pretus ranked the entire recorded catalog of the Beatles, because he's a big, big nerd. Then he decided to make a podcast to talk with other people and learn about their connection with The Beatles' music. In each episode, Jonathan and his co-host/wife Julia (a more level-headed, casual fan) invite guests on to discuss the rankings, what they think makes each song so great (or not-so-great), and see if it really is a fool's errand to try and rank the music of the greatest band of all time.  _____________________ Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]

The month of August has historically been full of significant changes for the Beatles. In August 1962, Pete Best was fired, and Ringo joined the band, completing the lineup and creating the chemistry that propelled them to worldwide stardom. August 1966 brought the backlash against John’s “more popular than Jesus” comments and marked the end of their touring career. And the death of Brian Epstein, in August 1967, was a tragic loss that in many ways, signified the beginning of the end for the Beatles.  But August of 1960 was more like the beginning of the beginning, with the Beatles heading off to Hamburg for the very first time. These intense experiences honed their skills and permanently transformed them as musicians and as people. This year represents incredible an incredible transition in the band, laying the groundwork for everything the band became in the coming years.  We’re taking a couple of weeks off for the summer and we’ll be back with new episodes later this month. So in the meantime, and in honor of this transformative month in Beatles history, we're re-releasing an encore episode of Mach Schau: The Beatles in 1960.  And there's still time to enter our giveaway to win your own copy of the new Mind Games remixes! --------------------- Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]

It's part two of our Mind Games extravaganza, and we're going track-by-track on the new Mind Games Ultimate mix. Listen along with us as we dive into each song on this fabulous new release.  And don't forget, enter our giveaway to win your own copy of Mind Games! --------------------- Follow us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter/X for photos, videos, and more from this episode & past episodes — we’re @bcthebeatles everywhere. Follow BC the Beatles on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you’re listening now. Buy us a coffee! www.ko-fi.com/bcthebeatles Contact us at [email protected]