
Turn Spreadsheets Into Apps Without a Single Prompt: AI Workflows for Founders With Gainable | Rickard Hansson
How many tabs are in the one spreadsheet that secretly runs your company? Seventy-two? Rickard Hansson is betting that spreadsheet is about to become an app, without you writing a single prompt.
Rickard is a Malmö-based serial entrepreneur on his sixth company in more than 20 years of building, including a decade in Los Angeles. His newest company, Gainable, sits in the gap between low-code platforms that grew too complex to use and vibe coding tools that IT departments won’t let near production. Gainable treats your data as the spec. Drop in an old Excel file or connect a legacy system, and its engine, Gaia, infers the data model, finds the relationships, and builds a finished internal app with security, access controls, and SSO already in place. It is a working app, not a prototype or an MVP.
Ryan and Rickard open with the SaaSpocalypse that never quite arrived. Rickard thinks systems of record like Salesforce and HubSpot are safe for now because they hold so much data and are leaning into agentic interfaces. Task tools like Monday, Asana, and Trello are another story. Most teams use about 5% of those features, and that 5% can now be built in an afternoon. Airtable’s fall from an $11.7B peak valuation to a $1.285B enterprise value sale to Bending Spoons hangs over the whole conversation.
Then they get under the hood. Rickard started Gainable as a side project to prove a point: he forced the cheapest model available to code as well as the frontier models by running its output through hundreds of deterministic validators. The lesson was simple. AI is great at guessing, and code doesn’t forgive a wrong guess. So in Gainable the LLM reads messy data and writes a spec, and a compiler writes the code. Every app comes out with the same architecture, so one security patch fixes a thousand apps at once.
The founder lesson is just as sharp. Rickard didn’t build first. He ran structured research interviews, sold nothing, and asked buyers to dream. Those interviews turned into unpaid pilots with teams inside GEICO-sized enterprises. They also revealed the insight that reshaped the product: his buyers wanted internal apps but could not describe them in a prompt. His rule for validation is to ask five people. If all five agree, you’re done. If all five disagree, start over.
They also cover the siloed AI team, where everyone is 7x more productive and nobody can see what anyone else built, plus the EU AI Act, the risk of people trusting AI too much, why Swedish founders can afford to fail hard, and a kid who talked his village into sponsoring a vert ramp in his backyard.
If your business runs on spreadsheets and tool sprawl, this one is for you.
Gainable: https://www.gainable.dev/
Rickard Hansson on LinkedIn: https://se.linkedin.com/in/rickardh
Ryan Estes on Linkedin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/estesryan/
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