Authenticity Without Integrity is Dangerous - w/ Erin Phipps

Clinical psychologist and psychedelic facilitator Dr. Jana Bolduan Lomax joins Brie to talk about the work most therapists refer out: cancer, chronic illness, grief, and psilocybin-assisted healing.Jana shares how growing up in her dad's rural Indiana medical office led her to health psychology, what losing her mom taught her about grief ("grief is not a pathology"), and why her young cancer patients taught her to stop working all the time. She also opens up about her own psilocybin journey, what Colorado's new natural medicine program actually looks like from the inside, and why midlife is her favorite "now what."CHAPTERS2:51 What Jana does after the hour11:10 Grief as a teacher14:30 How psychedelic work came into the mix19:47 Burnout, boundaries & "don't do this alone"22:44 "Our trip is short on this planet"24:23 Your authentic self is many things27:16 Telluride, Phish & collective effervescence31:36 Advice for new therapists35:28 Midlife and the "now what"39:13 Should I try psilocybin? Safety & readiness49:36 Final thoughts: just be humanRESOURCESPuzzles Jana mentions: https://libertypuzzles.com/products/tent-camping-puzzle?variant=51861764866334CONNECT WITH JANAJana’s Group Practice: https://shifthealing.net/Etc. Hospitality: https://www.etc-hospitality.com/If you're struggling, you don't have to wait. In the U.S., call or text 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.This episode includes discussion of psychedelic medicine and is for informational purposes only, not medical advice.After the Hour is a production of Collective Counseling Solutions. Produced by Brie Hawk, with editing and creative direction by Carin Huebner and SPACEBUG Creative. New episodes every two weeks.

Former UFC fighter turned licensed professional counselor Shana Dobson joins Brie to talk about the road from the octagon to the therapy room, and why she built Path to Peace, a practice grounded in the belief that clients deserve therapists who share their lived experience. They get honest about burnout (the 3 a.m. progress notes, the vacation with the laptop), why "just don't take it on" is impossible advice for people who care deeply, letting go of being the perfect therapist for every client, and the case for thoughtful self-disclosure. Plus: the moment Shana's own therapist said "I don't have anything clinical to say," and why that was exactly enough. CHAPTERS 2:28 From the UFC to the therapy room 7:26 Culture, Jamaican roots & what doesn't need explaining 12:50 Graduating and leaving the UFC in the same month 15:16 Teaching, community mental health & earning their stripes 20:13 Building Path to Peace ("You guys are the Avengers") 23:26 Burnout: 3 a.m. notes and working vacations 26:02 Unlearning grad school fears 32:32 Burnout from every angle & the "empathy switch" 36:53 Imposter syndrome & the savior complex 41:57 Self-disclosure and the blank slate 48:52 Same and different: intersectional matching 56:25 What Shana does After the HourCONNECT WITH SHANA Website: https://path2peacellc.com/If you're struggling, you don't have to wait. In the U.S., call or text 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline. After the Hour is a production of Collective Counseling Solutions. Produced by Brie Hawk, with editing and creative direction by Carin Huebner and SPACEBUG Creative. New episodes every two weeks.

Clinical educator, supervisor, and Heartwood Care Collective founder Erin Phipps joins Brie to talk about building a career in this field that's actually generative, for the helper as much as the client.Erin opens up about growing up in special ed, the summer at Landmark College when someone outside their family finally told them they were smart, and why their work is rooted in disability justice. They also dig into money shame in the helping professions, the difference between authenticity and integrity, what supervision is really for, and the "economy of care" that keeps therapists resourced enough to do this work.CHAPTERS3:51 Rituals that open and close the workday10:32 Money shame in the helping professions14:19 Neurodivergent in grad school18:19 Disability justice in the classroom21:27 Authenticity without integrity24:27 Building Heartwood Care Collective29:29 "Who's grading me?" Finding your professional identity34:50 The economy of careRESOURCES MENTIONED• The Trauma of Money certification• Internal Family Systems (IFS)• To Speak for the Trees by Diana Beresford-KroegerCONNECT WITH ERINWebsite: heartwoodcarecollective.comIf you're struggling, you don't have to wait. In the U.S., call or text 988 to reach the Suicide & Crisis Lifeline.After the Hour is a production of Collective Counseling Solutions. Produced by Brie Hawk, with editing and creative direction by Carin Huebner and SPACEBUG Creative. New episodes every two weeks.

What happens to a therapist when the session's over? Where does the weight go? How do you build a career out of holding other people's hardest moments without losing yourself in the process?Host Brie Hawk sits down with therapists from every corner of the field, from former pro athletes and career-changers to new grads and decades-deep clinicians, for the conversations that don't happen in supervision or grad school. Burnout and boundaries. Building a practice. Bringing your whole identity into the room. The progress notes at 3 a.m. and the moments that make it all worth it.Honest, warm, sometimes funny, and always real. For anyone who's ever wondered if they're the only one who finds this work this hard, and this good.The first three episodes drop November 10. New episodes every two weeks. Follow now so you don't miss one.After the Hour is a production of Collective Counseling Solutions, a community built by and for therapists in private practice: collectivecounselingsolutions.comProduced by Brie Hawk, with editing and creative direction by Carin Huebner and SPACEBUG Creative.