Killer Conversation: Sebastian Burns & Atif Rafay - Part 2

A high school student on her way to drill team practice is found murdered on campus. What it took to close the case after 30 years. Natalie Morales reports. After you listen to this episode, don’t miss the "It Could've Been Me" companion episode, dropping tomorrow in the 48 Hours podcast feed. Natalie Morales sits down with survivors to revisit the crime that nearly took their lives. Through in-depth interviews and the trusted reporting of 48 Hours, the series offers a thoughtful look at these extraordinary cases—and the haunting realization that the same could happen to any of us. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In 2003, wealthy widow Linda Fishman was found strangled to death in her Boca Raton home. Police discovered a ransacked house, a stolen car, and an arson attempt to cover up evidence. The initial investigation focused on Linda's nephew, Michael Jamrock, until an anonymous letter pointed detectives to a different suspect. “48 Hours" Correspondent Troy Roberts reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 8/16/2008. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happened when Sebastian Burns and Atif Rafay left the U.S. for Canada and became entangled in an elaborate “Mr. Big” sting operation? 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant explains how their undercover confessions led to their eventual murder convictions.    Get early, ad-free access to episodes of Killer Conversation by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. The series is widely available everywhere else you get your podcasts.  Subscribe to 48 Hours+: https://apple.co/4aEgENo  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In October 2001, Wall Street tycoon Ted Ammon was found bludgeoned to death in his Long Island mansion. Investigators focused on Ted's former wife, Generosa, and her new husband, Danny Pelosi. But when Generosa died of breast cancer, Danny became the lone suspect. “48 Hours" Correspondent Richard Schlesinger reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 9/3/2005. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Did two teenagers attempt to execute the perfect crime back in 1994? Sebastian Burns has been described as the mastermind who used a metal baseball bat to kill his friend Atif Rafay's mother, father, and sister, while Atif stood by. But what was their motive? 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant talks about what it was like sitting across from these two young men in prison.  Get early, ad-free access to episodes of Killer Conversation by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. The series is widely available everywhere else you get your podcasts.  Subscribe to 48 Hours+: https://apple.co/4aEgENo  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In 1994, Sultana Rafay, her husband Tariq, and their autistic daughter, Basma, were brutally murdered. Investigators focused on two primary suspects: Atif Rafay, the only surviving family member, and his friend Sebastian Burns. They had taken refuge in Canada and wrote a screenplay with a plot that paralleled the murders. Was the script fiction or a confession? This episode last aired on 9/15/07. After you listen to this episode, don’t miss the ""Killer Conversation"" companion episode, dropping tomorrow in the 48 Hours podcast feed. Through behind-the-scenes stories and moments that never made it to air, Killer Conversation pulls back the curtain on what it’s really like to sit across from someone capable of murder and how that experience still haunts them years later. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In November 1997, Florida couple Marlene and Steve Aisenberg reported their five-month-old daughter Sabrina missing from her crib. The police began to search for the baby but soon became convinced that the couple knew more about their baby’s disappearance than they admitted. “48 Hours" Correspondent Troy Roberts reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 2/9/2008. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In 1980, Marilyn McIntyre was discovered dead in her Wisconsin home by her husband, Lane McIntyre. Police initially investigated Lane and his friend as a potential suspects, but the case stalled for nearly thirty years. In an effort to reignite the case, Marilyn's niece reached out to investigators. A call to a wrong number and new evidence would expose the killer. “48 Hours" Correspondent Erin Moriarty reports. This classic "48 Hours" episode last aired on 4/30/2011. Watch all-new episodes of “48 Hours” on Saturdays, and stream on demand on Paramount+. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who was Rick Valentini, aka Bryan Stewart? He was a man who forged a new identity for himself before dating and murdering his then-girlfriend Jamie Laiaddee in 2010. 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty and producer Judy Rybak discuss what it was like to interview a conman with a warped sense of the truth.   Get early, ad-free access to episodes of Killer Conversation by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. The series is widely available everywhere else you get your podcasts.  Subscribe to 48 Hours+: https://apple.co/4aEgENo  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

On March 18, 2010, Jamie Laiaddee vanished from her home in a suburb of Phoenix, Arizona. Her live-in boyfriend Bryan Stewart told everyone she had moved to Denver, Colorado to take a new job. When detectives started searching for Jamie, they discovered Bryan was a con man, and suspected he was also her killer. This episode last aired on 12/29/12. After you listen to this episode, don’t miss the "Killer Conversation" companion episode, dropping tomorrow in the 48 Hours podcast feed. Through behind-the-scenes stories and moments that never made it to air, Killer Conversation pulls back the curtain on what it’s really like to sit across from someone capable of murder and how that experience still haunts them years later. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices