The Hoffman Podcast

“A lot of the women in my family were silenced. …I know in my heart that speaking my truth now…is to take those skeletons out of the closet and let them dance.” – Jennifer Johnson Writer, artist, seeker, and Hoffman Process grad, Jennifer Johnson grew up speaking the language of the arts. She sees the world with wonder, curiosity, and eternal optimism. Before taking the Process, Jennifer wrote about her patterns, studying each like an archaeological dig. She worked hard to escape them, but couldn’t stop acting them out. Exasperated that they followed her everywhere, she realized awareness and understanding weren’t enough. She reached out to trusted people for help. One astute friend told her that, at that point in Jennifer’s healing, the one thing that would help was the Hoffman Process. Young Jenny  After completing Hoffman Essentials, Jennifer was excited to begin her Process in Canada. Diving deep into the Process‘s healing power, Jennifer was willing to feel the full range of her emotions. The Process pushed her into places she needed to go to access places she needed to heal. She navigated unknown territory, enabling deep healing of her family of origin. Jennifer shares that ancestrally, many women in her family were silenced. She found that the antidote to this wound is to live as an empowered truth-sayer. Speaking her truth allows the family skeletons to dance. For Jennifer, this is healing the original ancestral and familial wounds. Post-Process, Jennifer now sees how she tried to get to the roots of her family patterns through digging and analyzing. Instead, the Process guided her to see these roots from a place of Spirit, and to have compassion for where they originated. Healing brought compassion, empathy, and acceptance of where she came from and who she is. Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Jennifer Johnson: One of many day jobs: antiquarian cataloguer Jennifer K. Johnson believes transformation is less about becoming someone new than daring to be seen as who we always were. A writer, interdisciplinary artist, and seeker, Jennifer grew up speaking the language of the arts. A self-taught polymath, she tried on many roles: gallery director, art dealer, antiquarian cataloguer, coach, stylist, executive assistant, the dependable one, the pleaser. Each held a piece of a larger puzzle, until she realized she needed to represent the artist she most needed to represent: herself. Cycling with mother and sister, Portugal to Spain In 2018, she began to write, and her life began to change. On the page, she reclaimed what she had kept in the shadows: the parts of herself others had called too much. They never were. Fittingly, her work appears in the anthology Too Much Woman (Womancraft Publishing). In January 2026, tired of repeating the same patterns in her relationships, she did the Hoffman Process. There she traced those patterns to their root: a silence passed down by the women of her maternal line. She chose to be the first to break it, on the page, in her forthcoming memoir, The Original Wound. Beneath the patterns, she found someone she had known all along: the five-year-old who made art, wrote songs and stories, played outdoors until dark, and believed in fairies and tree spirits. Today she lives in Tsawwassen, British Columbia, “the land facing the sea.” Most days, she writes from dawn to noon, then walks the shoreline, communes with the eagles, and marvels at life’s absurdity. She shares what she’s learning in Light of Hand, a Substack about turning soul wounds into wisdom. At last, she is stepping into her own light. Discover more about Jennifer at jenniferjohnsonart.ca. Follow Jennifer on Instagram. Art by Jennifer mentioned in this episode: Self-portrait at 25 years old, titled: Red-Headed Step Child Collage for the essay “Tearing Apart the Silence” Essays by Jennifer mentioned in this episode: Flight Test Tearing Apart the Silence Reflections on a River Writing poems when pissed Hoffman Tools mentioned in this episode: Do-Have-Be vs. Be-Do-Have Do-Have-Be, the conventional approach: Most of us are taught to start with “Do.” We make choices and take action to have things so we ‘end up’ being happy. In this approach, we aren’t beginning with who we truly are. Instead, it immediately puts our happiness out there somewhere. Some day we will be something we long to be. But this doesn’t bring lasting happiness, nor does it bring us to who we are. Be-Do-Have, the Hoffman way: When we begin with “Be” (the embodied qualities of my Spiritual Self), we respond to life rather than react. Then our “Doing” allows us to make informed and aligned choices out of that response. Out of these choices, we “Have” whatever comes from our authentic, aligned presence and responsiveness. Starting from who you truly are holds creative and lasting power. We no longer look for our happiness at some future time. The Cycle of Transformation: Awareness: Recognizing and identifying unconscious negative patterns, moods, attitudes, beliefs, or behaviors inherited or developed in childhood. Expression: Safely and fully releasing the pent-up emotional charge, grief, anger, or pain tied to those old patterns rather than suppressing them. Compassion and Forgiveness: Developing deep empathy and understanding for oneself and key figures (like parents or caregivers) to dissolve judgment, shame, and resentment. New Ways of Being (New Behavior): Choosing and anchoring conscious, authentic responses aligned with your spiritual or true self rather than old survival. Watch retired Hoffman teacher, Hilary Illick, explain the Cycle of Transformation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIKfjNdpgsk&t=6 Post-Process Weekend: •   Two days, post-Process, to integrate the work done during the Process. •   Listen to our post-Process Panel on the Hoffman Podcast: After the Process, With Kevin, Steve, and Zeina Self-Forgiveness/Self-Love Walk is a grounding meditation practice to release old behavior patterns and reconnect with your authentic self. The QuadCheck (Quadrinity Check-in): •   A Hoffman tool done daily to check in with all four parts of the Quadrinity: the intellect, the emotional self, the body, and the Spiritual Self. •   Join our virtual community Quad-Check at 8:00 am PT on Instagram. The Quad Check practice supports you in integrating and honoring your Quadrinity: Spiritual Self, Intellect, Emotional Self, and Body. Other mentions in this episode: Joseph Campbell: •   Hero’s Journey •  Descent into the belly of the whale 2-Day Hoffman Essentials Lori Raudnask: Operations Manager for Hoffman Institute, Canada •   Listen to Lori on the Hoffman Podcast: Doing Deep Work at Hoffman Canada Hoffman Scholarships Hoffman Canada Retreat Site, Sanctum Retreat in Alberta – “My momma always said, ‘Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you’re gonna get.” Forrest Gump, played by Tom Hanks Carl Jung Brainspotting EMDR (Eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) Rorschach Test Selkie       Hoffman grad groups    

“Hoffman is another place where truth resides, emerges deeper, and allows itself to flourish more in the world, in our world.” – Martin Rutte International speaker, author, management consultant, and Hoffman Process grad Martin Rutte has lived a life rooted in knowing, on a deeper level, that we can achieve beyond what we believe is possible. In this powerful conversation with Sadie, Martin shares how his life of vision and purpose unfolded with each step taken. As Sadie highlights, the conversation circles the place where Spirit, truth, and an ‘already knowing‘ within each of us meet in something unnameable. This conversation guides us in how to embody and live this in the world. Martin grew up in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Historically known as Canada’s industrial “Steeltown,” Martin shares that Hamilton had a conservative culture when he was young. At ten, he heard a message from within that set him on his life’s path: “You’re here to change the world.” He felt it was true, and didn’t know what it meant. No one around him spoke of vision or purpose, yet deep inside, he knew he would live a life of purpose. Throughout his life, Martin met people who shared things he knew to be true within. These moments of truth guided him toward the life he envisioned, one step at a time. During his week at the Process, he realized that the truth emerges from within each of us. As we live this emergent truth from within, it flourishes into the world through the life path we take. May this wise, generous, generative conversation inspire you to live a life beyond what you believe is possible. Project Heaven on Earth: Mid-conversation, Martin shares about “Project Heaven on Earth” and how it came to be. He asks Sadie the three questions he asks those he works with. As Sadie answers, you might consider your own answers. The invitation is to dive deeper into your vision of what heaven on earth can be. https://youtu.be/Ey0NFV0uSO8 Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Martin Rutte: Martin Rutte is an international speaker, author, and management consultant.  As President of Livelihood, a management consulting firm with offices in Ranchos De Taos, New Mexico, USA, and Charlottetown, Canada, he explores the deeper meaning of work and its contribution to society.   He has worked with organizations such as The World Bank, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Southern California Edison, Virgin Records, Esso Petroleum, and London Life Insurance, helping them broaden their outlook and position themselves for the future. Martin and (his wife) Maida Rogerson Martin has addressed the Corporate Leadership & Ethics Forum of The Harvard Business School, returning for four consecutive years as a keynote speaker. He co-founded and chaired the Board of Canada’s first academic Centre for Spirituality and the Workplace at the Sobey School of Business in Halifax.  He is also a past member of the editorial board of The Journal of Management, Spirituality and Religion. Martin co-authored the New York Times business bestseller Chicken Soup for the Soul at Work, which has sold over one million copies and is translated into 15 languages. His newest book is Project Heaven on Earth: The 3 simple questions that will help you change the world … easily.  This book unlocks your Soul’s longing for a world that works.  It empowers a new story about what it means to be human and what it means to be humanity. Martin will help you discover what Heaven on Earth is for you and what simple, easy, concrete action you can take in the next 24 hours to begin making that real. www.ProjectHeavenOnEarth.com www.MartinRutte.com As mentioned in this episode: Prince Edward Island, Canada •   Anne of Green Gables Maida Rogerson: Canadian actress, author, and public speaker. She is known for her work in television, film, and theater. Maida is also well known as a writer, seminar leader, and storyteller. Martin shared this quote: “A man is someone who is true to himself.” Post-Process Weekend: The two days post-Process are a time for integrating the work of the previous seven days. Listen to our Post-Process Panel on the Hoffman Podcast: After the Process, With Kevin, Steve, and Zeina Raz and Liza Ingrasci founded the Hoffman Institute Foundation.Alongside his beloved wife Liza, Charles “Raz” Ingrasci was a guiding force in shaping Hoffman’s mission. Together, their leadership and devotion helped establish Hoffman as the transformative program and community it is today. Raz passed on December 31st, 2025. Jack Canfield The Transformational Leadership Council Listen to Raz on the Hoffman Podcast. •   Raz Ingrasci: Husband, Father, Son ∗   Marissa & Raz Ingrasci: Spiritual Lineage & the Hoffman Process •   Ward Ashman & Raz Ingrasci: Hoffman & the Enneagram Listen to Raz on the Oprah Podcast: •   Oprah on The Hoffman Process, How to Forgive Your Parents – And Yourself Tocayo: In Spanish, tocayo (masculine) or tocaya (feminine) means someone who shares your first name (a name twin or namesake). Pronunciation: toh-KAH-yoh (masculine) / toh-KAH-yah (feminine) Usage: If you meet someone named Carlos and your name is also Carlos, you can say, “¡Eres mi tocayo!” (“You’re my name twin!”). It is often used in a friendly or endearing way to create an instant connection. Origin: The word comes from the Classical Nahuatl word tōcāyoh (meaning “possessor of a name” or “one who has a name”), derived from tōcāitl

“It is possible to change. You don’t have to repeat all of those patterns. …You’re going to be happy, and it’s okay to be happy.” – Lecia King During the Hoffman Process, therapist Lecia King found herself feeling settled, and learning that this ‘settledness’ is a quality of being of her Spiritual Self. Through the power of the Process, Lecia began to transform the pain of her past into a deep-seated connection to who she really is. Years later, now both a seasoned therapist and Hoffman Process teacher, this settledness is omnipresent in Lecia’s life as she lives more and more from her Spiritual Self. You’ll feel and hear it in this conversation with host Sadie. You’ll also sense a quiet joy in Lecia. Challenge and change run through Lecia’s life story. She experienced a “very chaotic upbringing.” She realized early on that she would have to create a stable life for herself as an adult. Lecia grieved for the child within her that never knew stability. And her adult self has done just that: created a stable life. In her twenties, Lecia bought her first home, determined never to be uprooted from home again. She did healing work around her eating disorders and past family dysfunction. She found healing in a women’s nature circle where she spent time fasting and in nature. Lecia’s life story reflects a quiet persistence as she moved into adulthood and motherhood, and now moves into an empty nest filled with joy. It is inspirational to witness someone who has met life’s challenges and, through them, come to know and love herself. In teaching the Hoffman Process, Lecia now holds space for others to transform and create lasting change in their lives. In sharing her story here, Lecia offers us an existential possibility of hope and joy. We can transform the pain of our past into a life lived as who we really are. We get to be happy. We hope you savor this inspiring conversation with Lecia and Sadie. Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify Content Warning: This episode mentions domestic violence, disordered eating, and suicidal feelings. Please use your discretion. If you need support, call or text 988, the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline, available 24/7 in the U.S. If you need support with disordered eating, call the ANAD Eating Disorders Helpline toll-free at 1-888-375-7767. More about Lecia King: Lecia King began her Hoffman journey as a student in 2018. Wanting more of her new quality of Being (Spiritual Self), she was tempted to apply to become a teacher immediately after completing her Process. But with a full-time job and two kids to raise, it didn’t seem feasible. Instead, she applied for a sabbatical and spent the time interning at Hoffman, focusing on bringing the work to therapists. During this time, she realized she needed to commit to Hoffman teacher training to embody the work and bring it to others. Lecia now works half-time as a Hoffman teacher and coach and half-time as a therapist in the student health center at a local community college. She brings 30 years of social work experience, including serving as the director for a shelter and transitional housing program for battered women and their children, and as the executive and clinical director for a non-profit serving women and teens with eating issues. Lecia as a child Lecia has provided social work services for an inpatient psychiatric unit, and co-created the first social work program in Romania after the fall of the communist regime. She has worked at the community college for 14 years, where she deeply appreciates the hugely diverse student population, the wide variety of issues people struggle with, and the ability to serve people regardless of their resources or ability to pay. Whether providing therapy to students or teaching/coaching Hoffman students, Lecia is interested in others’ experiences facilitating growth, learning, and well-being. She brings compassion, empathy, creativity, enthusiasm, and care to her work and her life. Lecia lives in the North San Francisco Bay Area. She loves to hike, spend time with family and friends, and BE, preferably in nature. As mentioned in this episode: The Negative Love Syndrome: •   Read more about The Negative Love Syndrome in A Path to Personal Freedom & Love, written by Bob Hoffman. •   Listen to Hoffman teacher, Andy Milberg, on the Hoffman Podcast: Exploring the Negative Love Syndrome Year-long Women’s Circle Indeed.com – Job search site Integration Weekend (Post Process Weekend) •   Listen to the Hoffman Podcast: After the Process, With Kevin, Steve, and Zeina Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACA or ACoA)  •   Now called Adult Children of Alcoholics & Dysfunctional Families I-Am-ness: Presence of the Spiritual Self

.”This is the most creative thing I’ve ever experienced. …I just thought this is so wonderful because I’m not being talked at. I am being engaged, and I am being invited into an experience of myself unlike I’ve ever had.” – Sonia Choquette Globally celebrated spiritual teacher, intuitive guide, author, and Hoffman Advisory Council member, Sonia Choquette, came to the Process guided by her intuition. Deeply connected to Spirit from a very young age, Sonia came to the Process for relational reasons. She’d noticed too many relationship “collisions” in her marriage. Her family had Holocaust patterns, while her husband had other traumatic familial patterns. She intuitively knew the Process could help. Sonia loved the Process. She found it the most creative thing she’d ever experienced, and her “soul loves creativity.” She especially loved that the Process engaged her and invited her into new experiences of herself she’d never known before. After her Process, Sonia became friends with Raz, Liza, and the Ingrasci family. She realized she shared an uncommon worldview with Raz. “We are energetic spirits; we are having a physical experience. Raz and I just got that. We spoke Spirit as much as we spoke English.” This conversation is brimming with spiritual guidance. Sonia has been teaching profound spiritual truths for over 50 years. She shares multiple tools to reconnect with your Spirit, drop from your head into your heart, and know if you’re speaking from your heart. The Hoffman Institute is grateful to Sonia for her many years of service through our Hoffman Advisory Council. We hope you enjoy this wise and very practical episode with Sonia and Sadie. https://youtu.be/PN1gAwrlF6w Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Sonia Choquette: Sonia Choquette is a globally celebrated spiritual teacher, intuitive guide, and transformational author. For more than four decades, she has helped people trust themselves. She has supported them in following their inner guidance and living in alignment with who they truly are. Sonia has authored 32 books, including the international bestsellers Trust Your Vibes, Ask Your Guides, and The Answer Is Simple. Her work has reached millions of people worldwide, making intuition practical, grounded, and accessible in everyday life. Through her books, teachings, live events, online programs, and global community, Sonia shows people how to move beyond fear, overthinking, and external conditioning and reconnect with the clear, steady voice of Spirit within. Through the GIFT CERTIFICATION FOR INTUITIVE AND ENERGETIC ALIGNMENT, a professional training, Sonia prepares coaches to recognize intuitive and energetic signals, distinguish true guidance from fear and emotional reactivity, and help others return to authentic alignment. Known for her warmth, humour, honesty, and direct approach, Sonia brings spirituality down to earth. She shares practical tools that people can use in their relationships, work, decisions, and everyday lives. Her mission is to lead a worldwide intuition revolution—restoring people to their inner authority and empowering them to live with greater confidence, freedom, creativity, connection, and joy. Find out more about Sonia: •   Learn more about Sonia at SoniaChoquete.net ∗   Follow Sonia on Instagram: @soniachoquette⁠ •   Discover more on YouTube: @SoniaChoquette⁠ ∗   Check out Sonia on Facebook: @TrustYourVibes As mentioned in this episode: Raz Ingrasci’s Celebration of Life •   Listen to Raz on the Hoffman Podcast: Husband, Father, Son Ingrasci family: •   Raz and Liza: Founders of the Hoffman Institute Foundation. ∗  Marissa Ingrasci: Hoffman teacher and coach. ∗  Mike Ingrasci – Director of Marketing, Hoffman Institute Foundation Podcast. Transformational Leadership Council Sonia’s Podcast, with daughters Sabrina and Sonia Tully: It’s All Related. The Hoffman Process Book by Tim Laurence. •   Listen to Tim on the Hoffman Podcast: A Vale of Tears and a Hill of Laughter. Hoffman Q2 Intensive Sonia’s latest book, Soul Mastery: 22 Lessons to Reinvent Your Life    

“You can see their eyes brighter, and they finally feel like, Oh, there’s a lot of possibility … to be authentic self. That’s so powerful and meaningful for me to see that happening in China.“ – Jessie Feng Master Certified Coach, Hoffman Process teacher, and Director of Faculty, Hoffman China, Jessie Feng joins Sadie for an inspiring conversation about growth, possibility, and healing generational patterns. Although Jessie completed her Process in early 2025, her Process story really begins in 2011. Her relationship with her daughter was strained, so Jessie began coaching training, sure the issue was with her daughter. Many of us think similarly, until we begin our own inner work. Through coaching training and the Process, Jessie underwent a profound transformation. Her awareness grew and sense of self clarified. Her understanding of relationships, and why and how we can struggle in them, did too. As an integral part of the new Hoffman Institute China, Jessie now teaches the Process in China. Very aware of the traditions between parents and children in her country, she shares how remarkable it is to witness her students realize that long-standing traditions passed down generation to generation are simply patterns. Limiting patterns that do not serve us can be transformed into healthy, freeing alternatives. Jessie explains how remarkable it is that her students now see possibility in their lives. They now realize they can be authentic in their lives and relationships. In doing so, they find compassion and love for themselves and their parents. This conversation helps illuminate how the Process works in diverse cultures globally. The Process supports each person in finding liberation from limitation and compassion for themselves and those who raised them. Today, Jessie and her daughter have a great relationship. We hope you enjoy this powerful conversation with Jessie and Sadie. Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Jessie Feng: Jessie Feng is a Master Certified Coach (MCC). She holds an Advanced Certification in Team Coaching (ACTC) credential with the International Coaching Federation. Jessie also holds a Master’s degree in Marketing from the University of New South Wales in Australia and a Master’s degree in Applied Psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies in the United States.  For more than two decades, Jessie has worked in leadership development, team coaching, and personal transformation, supporting individuals and teams as they navigate complexity, relationships, and change. Having lived and worked in Germany, the United States, Australia, and China, she brings a deeply cross-cultural perspective to her work and a lifelong curiosity about one essential question: How can we live more authentically?  Jessie believes that every person possesses innate wholeness, inner wisdom, and a unique path through life. Her own experience with the Hoffman Process became a significant turning point. It helped her see the patterns that had shaped her life more clearly and opened the possibility of living with greater freedom and choice. This experience eventually led her to become deeply involved in bringing the Hoffman Process to China and developing its teaching locally.  In her work, Jessie often encounters the patterns people have learned to protect themselves—control, anger, pleasing, perfectionism, shame, and fear. Yet what moves her most is what emerges beneath those patterns: something softer, more alive, and deeply human.  Again and again, she is reminded that beyond our different identities, cultures, and life stories, we share a profound longing for love, connection, freedom, and to be truly seen.  For Jessie, growth is not about becoming a “better” version of ourselves. It is about finding the courage to become more fully who we already are—and trusting that beneath our patterns, there is love, light, and life.  Discover more about Hoffman China: •   Hoffman China •   Hoffman China’s The Journey of Life podcast series Jessie (3rd from right) and fellow Hoffman China teachers at a recent Process (including US teacher, Danny Kim). As mentioned in this episode: Co-Active Training Institute Vicious Cycles A little more about the Internship portion of Hoffman teacher training: Phase 2 (of 3) of Hoffman teacher training is the Internship Program, where learning moves into real experience. During this phase, a teacher candidate begins working alongside certified Hoffman teachers, observing and participating in actual Hoffman Processes. Over several internships, the teacher candidate works directly with students, teaches presentations, facilitates experiences, and gradually takes on more responsibility, with guidance and feedback from an experienced training teacher. Internship is more than learning teaching skills. It is a time when something deeper begins to develop. Through continued immersion in the Hoffman Process, teacher candidates become more aware of patterns, more attuned to what is happening within themselves and with others, and increasingly connected to their own intuition and spiritual awareness. They are learning not only how to teach the Process, but how to embody it. With experience, practice, mentorship, and reflection, the teacher candidate grows into the presence and confidence needed to lead a Process. Phase 2 is the pathway to certification as a Hoffman Process teacher, a meaningful step in becoming a teacher who can truly hold the space for others.  

“The experience of the Process was life in full, in its magnitude, in seven days.” – Natasia Schumacher Professional Certified Coach, Certified Emotional Intelligence Practitioner, and athlete Natasia Schumacher arrived at White Sulphur Springs to take the Hoffman Process in 2018. She says, “I didn’t choose the Process; it chose me.” As Natasia poured over her Process homework, this question stopped her: “What is your relationship to spirituality?” Eight years ago, she had no idea what spirituality or spirit meant. Her response to the question? “None.” Looking back, Natasia saw that this was the first indicator of where the Process would lead her. In Natasia’s Process, she had a profound realization that who she thought she was has never been who she is. Her visceral experience of the Process felt like a turbulent storm: deeply uncomfortable, confronting, and exhausting, while also deeply loving. Natasia shares stories of the profound emotional, intellectual, somatic, and spiritual insights, epiphanies, and transformation during and after her Process. Many grads discover after the Process that even though they have changed, the people in their lives have not. For Natasia, this dynamic provided more opportunities to release patterns and deepen her sense of who she really is. She describes how she navigated this change with both her husband and mother. Natasia’s ability to articulate what happened is insightful and helpful information. She also found, post-Process, that she needed to connect with the parts of her who weren’t sober. Today, she has been sober for many years. Natasia speaks of and lives with love and reverence for her true self, her Spirit. As she says, her Spirit “is me.” We hope this articulate, insightful, deeply spiritual conversation inspires you. Follow Natasia on Instagram and LinkedIn. Content Warning: This episode is marked explicit for language and may not be suitable for children. Please use your discretion. https://youtu.be/TAtO34Z9EWc Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Natasia Schumacher: Natasia Schumacher is the founder of Shift & Play, a Montréal-based self-leadership practice that helps people stay connected to themselves when it matters most — through change, uncertainty, and discomfort. By her 30s, Natasia had built a life that looked successful from the outside. She held senior leadership roles, carried significant responsibility, and became very good at being who she thought she needed to be. Internally, she was struggling. She was performing life, moving through roles and expectations while becoming increasingly disconnected from herself. In the Hoffman Process, she confronted the gap between the person she presented to the world and who she was underneath it all. It became part of a larger reckoning that included sobriety, motherhood, career reinvention, entrepreneurship, and learning to hear her own voice, trust it, and act from it. Celebrating Natasia as a child That journey informs her work today. A Professional Certified Coach (PCC), Certified Emotional Intelligence Practitioner (EQ-i 2.0), lululemon ambassador, and athlete, Natasia brings mind, heart, and body into her work. Through one-on-one coaching and designed group experiences, she works with high performers who are skilled at achieving, performing, and meeting expectations, but have lost touch with themselves along the way. Movement is woven into this approach. Natasia believes the body often reveals what the mind has learned to override. She uses movement to help people notice their patterns, meet discomfort, and practice making conscious choices in real time. Currently training for and leading a team through her second 650-kilometre ultra relay, she lives the same practice she invites others into. For Natasia, self-leadership isn’t something you master. It’s the practice of staying with yourself in discomfort long enough to hear what’s true — and having the courage to choose from there. Follow Natasia on Instagram and LinkedIn. As mentioned in this episode: Read about the Hoffman Retreat Site at White Sulphur Springs, CA. Homework: The Process homework (or pre-work) takes approximately 10 hours to complete. Filling out this pre-work is really the beginning of your Process experience. Post-Process weekend: Listen to our Hoffman teacher panel on the Hoffman Podcast: S10e7: Our Post-Process Panel – After the Process, With Kevin, Steve, and Zeina  

“Post-Process… I could see those things differently. I could see them from the bigger view. And I could also feel how good I felt and how proud I was of myself. I knew that I could trust myself.“ – Kari Kuwahara Kari Kuwahara came to the Hoffman Process knowing the timing was right. After a traumatic life event triggered old traumas and buried feelings, Kari was ready to do the deep work to heal her pain from her relationship with her mother. The Process offered her a way to resolve the pain of her past. Kari was ready for the freedom to come. Before we dive into emotional terrain, we often fear the power of the feelings we will meet and the unknown chaos we might encounter within. The Process’s cathartic work and safe environment supported Kari as she went deep into her inner world. Her teacher gave her loving guidance when he said, “We’ve got you.” As Kari describes, she realized that she wasn’t doing it alone and that there were “guardrails in place.” Through the expression work, she finally released her anger. Intense, overwhelming grief that had been buried under her anger then flooded in. Kari “was finally able to go there and just let it out.” She realized that this release was, in itself, what she’d been searching for.  After the cathartic expression, Kari journaled. Reading a sentence she’d written back to herself, Kari reached a powerful understanding. Speaking about her mother, she’d written, “I can’t fathom the pain her anger wouldn’t let her feel.” In experiencing the depth of her own pain under her anger, Kari saw her mother. In seeing her mother, Kari saw herself. This is a profound example of the power in healing negative love. Through her courageous surrender to the Process, Kari found freedom from the pain of her past. We hope this powerful conversation with Kari and Drew moves and inspires you. Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Kari Kuwahara: Kari’s childhood photo Kari Kuwahara has a diverse background in the food world.  She is a chef focused on health-supportive cooking, a culinary event producer, and a retail program and project manager. Her path has never been entirely linear. After studying at UC Santa Barbara and Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, Kari explored several career directions before a family member’s serious illness shifted her perspective and sparked a deeper interest in healing foods, nutrition, and health.  That spark grew, and she enrolled at the Natural Gourmet Institute in New York, with little idea of what a career on the other side might look like. That leap became a turning point. What began as a job to gain experience in a natural-foods grocery store quickly became a leadership position. At the same time, she stepped into a separate role producing culinary demonstrations for nationally recognized chefs at a large-scale food and wine festival. Driven by curiosity and a desire to grow, she joined a national grocery retailer in a larger regional role, where she developed culinary programs, menus, recipes, venues, and operational systems across the region. Kari and her partner, Angela Eventually, Kari moved to Seattle, where she lives today. After several intense years navigating the grocery industry through the COVID era and leading her teams through a large restructuring, she stepped away from that role in search of something that felt more aligned. Life soon brought another profound shift. Kari’s partner was diagnosed with cancer, beginning a three-year journey through treatment, recovery, uncertainty, and ultimately, healing. Drawing on her earlier studies in healing foods, nutrition, and health, Kari supported her partner throughout this journey. But the healing extended beyond the physical. There was also a need to heal emotionally—not only from the toll of her partner’s illness, but from experiences rooted in her own childhood.  She and her partner both attended the Hoffman Process in the spring of 2026. Through all her roles, Kari remains deeply curious and committed to nurturing ourselves, our bodies, and our relationships. Follow Kari on Instagram. As mentioned in this episode: Post-Process work: After completing the Process on Friday, students spend Saturday and Sunday integrating their week. •   Listen to our Post-Process Panel on the Hoffman Podcast: After the Process, With Kevin, Steve, and Zeina Quad Check: A practice that supports you in integrating and honoring all four parts of your Quadrinity: Spiritual Self, Intellect, Emotional Self, and your Body. Instagram Lives: Join our virtual community Quad-Check at 8:00 am PT on Instagram. Join our daily Appreciation and Gratitude practice on Instagram at 6:00 pm PT. You’ll find that the Appreciation and Gratitude practice is a nourishing way to reflect on your day. This practice will support your Spiritual Self’s natural desire to appreciate and give thanks for all that life brings you. Our Instagram Quad-checks and Appreciation and Gratitude practices are open to everyone.    

“Over the past few years, I’ve dug deeper into connecting with the universe, connecting with nature, knowing that I am supported by forces outside of me.” – Suha Patel Suha Patel arrived at the Hoffman Process eight years ago. Her mantra coming in was, “I want to know who I am. I want to love myself. I want to know what I want. And I want to be able to ask for it.” Over those seven days and the eight years since, Suha has worked hard to know the answers to her questions and live into what she has longed for. Suha as a child Suha spent the majority of her life in her head, problem-solving everything, including herself. But knowing and loving oneself requires more than intellect. During her Process, the Quadcheck, a Hoffman tool, helped Suha discover her whole self. She dove into her whole self when she discovered her Quadrinity: intellect, body, emotional self, and Spiritual Self. Suha describes coming to know a whole inner community within herself, including her dear inner child. When she talks about her inner child, her voice lights up with joy. By spending time with her inner child, she realized why she stayed small and hadn’t stood up for what she wanted. For Suha, one of the great gifts of taking the Process has been a deepened spirituality. Growing up in India, she’d never been to a temple or sought out God. At Hoffman, she connected to something greater than herself – the Universe, nature, and the spiritual forces that support her. By the end of her week at Hoffman, Suha realized the first item in her mantra: to know who she is. She found she knew herself in new and beautiful ways. Asking for what she wants has taken longer, but Suha is steadily working toward fulfilling her beautiful mantra. We hope you enjoy this joyful conversation with Suha and Sadie. Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Suha Patel: Suha Patel is a global business leader, mentor, and lifelong student of human behavior whose journey has spanned four continents, executive leadership, and deep personal transformation. As a biotech executive, she spent decades leading in high-performance environments while quietly believing that staying small and silent was the safest way to move through the world. Her path into self-awareness, nervous system healing, and inner-child work has radically changed the way she understands leadership, relationships, identity, and emotional well-being. Today, Suha is passionate about exploring the invisible patterns that shape our lives – the survival strategies we mistake for personality, and the ways unresolved emotional experiences quietly influence how we love, lead, speak, and connect. Through honest storytelling and deep reflection, she brings a grounded, compassionate perspective to conversations about healing, self-awareness, emotional regulation, and what it truly means to feel safe enough to become oneself. Follow Suha on Instagram. As mentioned in this episode: Hoffman Q2 Intensive: Our three-day graduate program The Enneagram (of Personality) Undefended Love by Jett Psaris The QuadCheck (Quadrinity Check-in): A Hoffman tool done daily to check in with all four parts of the Quadrinity: the intellect, the emotional self, the body, and the Spiritual Self. Instagram Lives: We host two Instagram Lives daily. ¤ Join our virtual community Quad-Check at 8:00 am PT on Instagram. The Quad Check practice supports you in integrating and honoring your Quadrinity: Spiritual Self, Intellect, Emotional Self, and your Body. ¤ Join our daily Appreciation and Gratitude practice at 6:00 pm PT on Instagram. The Appreciation and Gratitude practice is a beautiful way to reflect on your day. This practice supports your Spiritual Self’s natural desire to appreciate and give thanks for all that life brings you. Elevators – 17:15 – 18:31  Suha describes what an elevator is and what happened for her when she did them at the Process. The Hoffman App After completing a Hoffman course, the Hoffman App can support you as you continue this journey, today and far into the future. The app offers guidance, practices, and visualizations to inspire and help you achieve your personal goals. We like to think of this app as “Hoffman in your pocket.” The Hoffman App is available at the App Store. Find out more about the creation of Hoffman’s app with Kevin Eyres, Hoffman Teacher, on the Hoffman Podcast: Beyond the Intellect. The Second Mountain: The Quest for a Moral Life, by David Brooks.  

“Whether you did the Process with someone in your cohort or you find someone at a coffee shop with a Quadrinity sticker on their water bottle, there’s sort of that immediate recognition of, ‘Hello, another me, myself! Hello, a kindred spirit!‘” – Jasin Deegan Hoffman Alumni Department Manager Jasin Deegan completed the Hoffman Process at White Sulphur Springs in 2019. Just a few months later, he joined the Hoffman Institute in his first role. Jasin has a hunger to serve others. It’s the nature of his Spirit. And he loves the Process. Six years on, it’s a beautiful match that now serves the global Hoffman community. Before taking the Process, Jasin completed many personal transformational experiences. He arrived at the Process wanting “all the self-help resources” so he could “finally be this optimal person of service in the world.“ In his Process, he realized this was his own form of Do-Be-Have, trying to find his true Self by collecting more and more tools and resources. In an epiphany, Jasin realized he already was this “person of service.” It was simply time to be himself in a role that brought him joy and purpose. This seed of understanding was planted in his Process. It has steadily grown within him over the past six years at Hoffman. And now, with ith Jasin at the helm of the Alumni Department, the alumni department team has created the new Hoffman Alumni Home and Hoffman Alumni Circle. These online community spaces are where we can gather as a global alumni community of all Hoffman Programs. As Jasin says, there’s “an immediate recognition” when we meet another Hoffman friend, a kindred spirit. We hope you enjoy this warm conversation with Jasin and Sadie. Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Jasin Deegan: Jasin Deegan has served as a transformational facilitator and guide for over fifteen years. He is dedicated to serving others on their healing and transformational journeys and is passionate about how peak experiences expand human consciousness. Jasin completed the Hoffman Process in December of 2019 and has been part of the Hoffman Institute since June 2020. Now serving as Alumni Department Manager, Jasin passionately supports Hoffman graduates who continue to do their post-Process work. As Alumni Department Manager, Jasin has led the development and design of Hoffman Alumni Home. This online community centralizes graduate resources and provides a space where Hoffman graduates can connect and build community. Before joining the Hoffman Institute, Jasin was a Shamanic Breathwork facilitator, using breathwork, ritual and ceremony, and contemplative practices to support others along their transformational and healing journeys. Jasin is trained and certified in Shamanic Breathwork through Venus Rising Association for Transformation. There, he cultivated his passion and sacred purpose for transformational service work through these direct studies. Jasin is pursuing his degree in psychology from San Francisco State University and lives with his husband in San Francisco, California. As mentioned in this episode: HOFFMAN ALUMNI HOME alumni.hoffmaninstitute.org/feed Hoffman Alumni Home is a dedicated space for Hoffman graduates to access alumni resources, connect to the community, and continue engaging with the work beyond their foundational Hoffman program. HOFFMAN ALUMNI CIRCLE alumni.hoffmaninstitute.org/hoffman-alumni-circle Hoffman Alumni Circle is a membership designed to support graduates’ continued growth, providing exclusive access to master classes and visualizations, teacher-led virtual sessions, early access to and discounts on graduate programming, and more. This paid membership lives within Hoffman Alumni Home and helps graduates sustain and deepen their Hoffman practice. Liza Ingrasci, Past CEO and President Liza and her late husband, Raz Ingrasci, founded the Hoffman Institute Foundation. Liza served as CEO and President for many years. She is now retired. The Ceremony of Integration Dinner: Before COVID, Hoffman Process graduates could attend this dinner held on the Thursday night of each Process to support the current students on their evening of integration. There is no longer a COI dinner in the US; however, it is still in practice in other countries. Bob Hoffman “Fire your therapist and go live your life.” The Hoffman Q2 Intensive Hoffman Webclasses Hosted and led by Hoffman teachers via Zoom, our live, interactive webclasses cover a wide variety of topics, including tools and practices from the Process and Hoffman Essentials. Graduate Groups Coaching Programs The Hoffman Quadrinity Symbol What is Breathwork? Jasin is trained to do this breathwork. Nita Gage, Hoffman Teacher. •   Listen to Nita on the Hoffman Podcast – A Courageous Ripple Be-Do-Have vs. Do-Have-Be: Be-Do-Have brings us the life we long for. We get the life we are taught we should strive for when we Do-Have-Be. Dharma

“Maybe there’s a person who’s written a book, or a professor who’s done some kind of research, and then they build a curriculum based on that perfectly wonderful approach to things. But that is not the Hoffman Process, right? Because, really, Bob Hoffman understood things more intuitively. …This is a wisdom tradition program.“ – Jo Mattoon Welcome to season 13 of Love’s Everyday Radius. Our guest is beloved Hoffman Process teacher, Jo Mattoon. In this fascinating conversation, Jo shares the ongoing changes happening within Hoffman Institute Foundation and the new Hoffman centers worldwide. Behind the scenes, Hoffman teachers and staff work to support the change and growth needed to meet the desires of those ready to take the Process and of our alumni. You’ll hear stories about Bob Hoffman and his collaborators who supported him in creating the Process. As Programs Manager, Jo shares how the Process training guide is continually updated while remaining true to its roots. And in the stories about the new Hoffman Center in China, you’ll discover how the wisdom tradition at the heart of the Process can support different cultures worldwide. From the growth and development of our teaching team, to the occasional updates integrated into the Process, to our new alumni portal, Hoffman Alumni Home, the Hoffman Institute continues to fulfill Bob Hoffman’s vision of “world peace one person at a time.” Hoffman International continues to grow its capacity to offer the Process around the world and shepherd serious change and transformation in those who attend through the opening of new centers around the world. At the center of everything Hoffman does are the deep roots of wisdom that have grounded the Process since its earliest inception. Deep roots support new strong shoots. We hope you enjoy this grounded, wise conversation.   https://youtu.be/F9iq_XheMDM Listen on Apple Podcasts Listen on Spotify More about Jo Mattoon: Jo and friends in the Swiss Alps Jo Mattoon holds a B.A. in the Humanities and a Master’s in Public Administration. Her first career was as a Human Resources executive; her second career was as an executive coach/leadership trainer. She has now found her true purpose in teaching/coaching for the Hoffman Process. In addition to teaching and coaching, Jo leads the Programs Team for Hoffman Institute Foundation (HIF). The team is responsible for the development and upkeep of all of HIF’s program curriculum, including the Process and alumni offerings. A fourth-generation Coloradan, Jo loves travel, learning, finding the humor in life, coyotes, the arts, and tasty food. You can find out more about Jo by following her on Instagram. As mentioned in this episode: Hoffman Process Canada venue in Calgary, Alberta: Sanctum Hoffman Center, China •   Discover more about China Hoffman: Hoffman Process® Launches in China.  •   Honoring the parents is a cultural value in China:      “Filial piety is the virtue of exhibiting love and respect for one’s parents, elders, and ancestors…” Read more… Jo Mattoon and Yifeng enjoying tea in China. Yifeng is the logistics/IT/everything else man for Hoffman China. Hoffman International •   Hoffman International Conference at Hoffman Institute, Germany. •   17 Hoffman Centers in 14 countries worldwide. Hoffman teachers & staff mentioned concerning Hoffman China: ¤  Crystal Jenkins, Hoffman teacher and Director of Teacher Training. •   Matt Brannagan, Hoffman teacher and CEO – Listen to Matt on the Hoffman Podcast. ¤  Kevin Eyres, Hoffman teacher – Listen to Kevin on the Hoffman Podcast. •   Michelle Smith – Hoffman logistics. Bob Hoffman, Founder of the Hoffman Process. Claudio Naranjo, Chilean psychiatrist and pioneer in integrating psychotherapy and spiritual traditions. Raz Ingrasci, beloved Hoffman teacher and founder of the Hoffman Institute Foundation. •   Listen to Raz on the Hoffman Podcast Andy Milberg, a beloved Hoffman teacher. •   Listen to Andy on the Hoffman Podcast •   Listen to Andy talking about the Negative Love Syndrome on the Hoffman Podcast  Hoffman Programs Team: •   Jo Mattoon – Programs Manager since 2022. ¤  Shawn McAndrew – Hoffman Editor and Programs Specialist. •   Jason Beegle – Hoffman Process Teacher. ¤  Jess Zimerman – Hoffman Process Teacher. Jasin Deegan – Alumni Department Manager and creator of Hoffman Alumni Home HOFFMAN ALUMNI HOME:  Hoffman Alumni Home is a dedicated space for Hoffman graduates to access alumni resources, connect to the community, and continue engaging with the work beyond their foundational Hoffman program. Hoffman Tools mentioned: ¤  The Cycle of Transformation: https://youtu.be/EIKfjNdpgsk?si=Sl8B_9hJpTI7aib8 Self-Compassion & Kristin Neff Listen to Kristin Neff on The Hoffman Podcast Kristin says that compassion has three components: kindness, mindfulness, and humanity. “Compassion is grounded in a sense of shared humanity.” At its core, compassion is the understanding that we are doing the best we can, moment to moment. That we are human beings. We are part of a much larger whole. Moment by moment, we are doing the best we can, learning and trying with care and love. If we learn this, things become much easier to deal with. Kristin also writes about Fierce Self-Compassion, as diagrammed below.