Michael Bungay Stanier

In this insightful episode, Steve Sims chats with Michael Bungay Stanier, an award-winning coach, Rhodes scholar, and author of the acclaimed book "The Coaching Habit." The conversation delves into various aspects of coaching, leadership, and the importance of curiosity and continuous learning.

Michael emphasizes the significance of having a structured process in coaching to bring out the best in each other while avoiding negative patterns. Steve draws an analogy between hiring a coach and starting a narcissistic relationship, highlighting the need for self-awareness and openness to feedback to enhance the coaching experience.

The discussion also covers the universal goal of major companies to foster excellence in their people through coaching, as well as the cultural nuances in leadership styles between Western and Eastern countries. Michael shares his experiences working with global companies and navigating the challenges posed by different hierarchical structures and attitudes toward authority.

A key theme of the episode is the importance of curiosity in leadership. Both speakers advocate for a shift from a "to know it" mentality to a learner mentality, encouraging leaders to stay curious and make connections. Michael discusses the accessibility of coaching through his book "The Coaching Habit," which is designed to make coaching less intimidating and more beneficial for managers and leaders. Steve, initially skeptical, finds value in the book for enhancing relationships and self-reflection.

The episode also explores the potential of AI in coaching, with Michael expressing optimism about automating coaching mechanics but cautioning that the deep sense of being seen and heard might be lost. The conversation ends with mentions of Michael's website, MBS Works, where listeners can find more resources and stay updated with his work.