Ep 98 - Opinions Changed part 2: Panned at Launch

On this weeks episode of RetroLogic Sam and John finish talking about what could have been!  Canceled games (Part2) The RetroLogic crew goes through history pulling out all the canceled games they wish would have went gold!

On this weeks episode of RetroLogic Sam and John are joined by none other than the Two Dollar Hero himself to talk about what could have been!  Canceled games (Part1) The RetroLogic crew goes through history pulling out all the canceled games they wish would have went gold! Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and returning guest Seth of the All N Podast!   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 3 Blue! MMBN3 Quest for 100% completion - the end?, blog - Games from across the multiverse: Goemon Boiling over! John: On Topic Retro; Zelda 2 FilmLogic: Summies Awards 2023 RetroGroove: On break for summer, catch up on Season 2!   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Seth’s List   Trivia Card   Show Topics Canceled Games we wish we could play (or at least see finished)   Mario Motors 3ds Yutaka “Yoot” Saito (Odama, Seaman, SimTower, Aeroporter) revealed its canceled development at 2018’s Reboot Develop conference. Based on Yoot’s latest hobby of sculpting chunks of metal and him chatting about it with Shigeru Miyamoto and Satoru Iwata Saito could not give a reason why the game was canceled. -Game was based around the concept of building engines by shaving and sculpting chunks of metal. -at one point intended to blow into DS microphone (because YS loves microphones) -Unclear if you would actually ever race using these engines -only two characters confirmed in concept art, Mario (duh) and an elderly scientist (no, not E. Gadd)   Super Mario Spikers Wii -volleyball-wrestling hybrid sport game to be developed by Next Level games team responsible for Mario Strikers games -carried over experience from the also canceled WWE Titans: parts unknown (the same team worked on it and really didn’t want these ideas to go to waste -WWE parts unknwn itself is super interesting:  crazy stylized take on pro wrestling, featuring fantastic environments and the ability to wrestle bears, crocodiles, sorcerers, etc. - Nintendo felt the violence in the game was too realistic for something featuring mario’s characters Other Picks:   Mega Man Universe Mega Man ZX3/ZXC Scalebound Prey 2 Phantom Dust Reboot Jade Empire 2   NES Aliens (based on the film,Famicom disk system, Square developed, run n’ gun action platformer Sunman (Sunsoft attempted rebrand of Superman game, plays like their batman games, mostly complete)   Gamecube: Casualties of Microsoft’s Acquisition of Rare DK64 sequel on gamecube Banjo 3 on gamecube (kinda retooled to nuts & bolts eventually) Diddy Kong Pilot (was eventually released as banjo pilot) Diddy Kong Racing Adventure (oddly enough started at another studio before moving to rare and then getting axed) Perfect dark zero Rare was also working with microsoft on a monster hunter-like game at some point.  Concept art:   Kirby Tilt n’ tumble 2 Untitled earthbound game (developed by Baten Kaitos team of Monolith Soft) possibly a remake? Raven Blade (RPG by Retro canceled so they could make Metroid Prime) Thunder Rally (another retro project, car combat game intended to compete with Twisted Metal)   The Wii Vitality Sensor Project H.A.M.M.E.R : beat ‘em up set in future USA, as a robot with a giant hammer, used motion controls.  Intended to integrate wii motionplus at some point.  Troubled development ended with a team with low morale making accusations against the management   Turrican 3D   Starcraft Ghost   Varuna’s Forces: (developed by accent media, published by atari), planned for Jaguar CD, 3DO, dreamcast, Saturn, PC) hybrid Third person shooter/strategy game with on-rail shooter segments.  (couldn’t get a break on those platforms folding. Community Couch Presto Why is Walmart the worst store? What's the best store? Submit YOUR canceled games for Part 2!   Tell us about All N, KNW, carpool! Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and returning guest Moses, AKA the WellRedMage But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Tell me one thing that happened this week! Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 3 Blue! MMBN3 Quest for 100% completion, blog - castles blowing up John: On Topic Retro; DKC2 upcoming FilmLogic: Summer Awards Show (feat. community votes!) RetroGroove: On break for summer, catch up on Season 2!   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Moses’s list   Trivia Card Show Topics Armored Core -  A word from our corporate overlords, er.. Sponsors Developed by Fromsoft, published by 10 different companies over time FromSoft (self published several games in japan, including AC1) Sony ASCII Entertainment (Project Phantasma Agetec ( Master of Arena, AC2, another age, AC3 ) Ubisoft (Ac for answer) Metro3D (EU Releases of arena-AC2) 505 Games (EU Releases of Nine breaker, last raven) Red Ant Enterprises (AU Release of Formula Front,  Sega (AC4, NA only) Bandai Namco (V and Verdict Day, VI)   Moves in “Generations” Building on one game engine but adding new parts, missions, etc.   Armored Core 1 : Project Phantasma and Master of Arena Armored core 2 and Armored core 2: Another Age Armored Core 3: Silent Line, Nexus, and Last Raven Armored Core 4 and For Answer Armored core 5 and Verdict Day   Also formula front for the PSP exists 3 and 4 reboot the continuity Sam’s experience:   AC1 on a PS1 demo disk Silent Line as the true intro to series For Answer Picked up AC2 a little while back for cheap   Moses’s experience:   How are you doing John?   What’s special about the series: Customizability Plot is very obtuse Opening cinematics were awesome Arena and missions - encountering other Raven’s in a mission Difficulty Soundtrack -Daemon X Machina as the (failed?) “spiritual successor” -Kenichiro Tsukuda as producer (producer from AC 2, 3, silent line) -Mech designs by Shoji Kawamori (worked on every armored core before V) -Sequel confirmed in development titled Daemon X Machina: Titanic Scion   Armored core VI -not just dark souls with mechs -or is it? Community Couch Presto: CCQ: What's your favorite musical/song from a musical?   What game would you make into a musical? What would be the big show stopping number?    Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with Adam Caporello, and Eston Huff. But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Tell me one thing that happened this week! Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 3 Blue! MMBN2 Hard Mode -Battle chip Challenge complete! John: On Topic/Retro Rewind updates FilmLogic: Marvel Universe Thrive or Implode RetroGroove: Ben Folds Retrospective ft. Dan!   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Adam’s list Eston’s List   Trivia Card   Mike’s 100th, er , 101st episode mega trivia quiz!   Show Topics 1 month later:  Advance Wars   Our History with the series   Thoughts on Reboot Camp New style, same campaign Multiplayer Future installments? Interesting tidbits The series is weird about region exclusivity: ReBoot camp has yet to be confirmed for a release in japan Advance Wars (1) was delayed in japan (presumably as a result of the US war on terror, though not officially stated).(the US released coincidentally released just before on September 10, 2001)  It released 3 years later in 2004 as Game boy Wars advance 1 & 2, bundled with the second game. Famicom wars, Gameboy Wars 1-3 were of course Japan only Japan also only got Days of Ruin as an eshop exclusive, not physical.   Designer Kentaro Nishimura stated that the success of Advance Wars shifted NIntendo’s attitude towards western tastes and without it Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade would never have been localized.   Reboot camp is not the first time Nintendo outsourced the series development to a third party: Game boy wars Turbo, 2, and 3 were developed by Hudson and Battalion Wars 1 and 2 by Kuju Entertainment. Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

On this episode the boys are back from a summer hiatus just in time to celebrate the Famicom's 40th Birthday!  Join Sam, John, and special guest Shannon Eno as they talk about all the games that North America missed out on, with the NES!  Price is Retro is back and Deus Guess Machina has been well maintained and ready to play!  All this and more!

On this special 100th episode of RetroLogic, our collection of 7 hosts rank our top 10 SNES games of all time! Thanks for listening!

  Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Dan Caporello here with John Cummis and Sam Wagers. Bill! A Gamer Looks At 40   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Tell me one thing that happened this week! Housekeeping Final Fantasy Mystic Quest Retro Review ft. Spidershan! Sam: Blog and Streaming updates MMBN2 Hard Mode -Battle chip Challenge complete! John: On Topic/Retro Rewind updates, Metroid Prime, dynamite heady FilmLogic: Mike Writes, Solo Something, Tim: Oscars and Rise Roar Revolt RetroGroove: Busta Rhymes   A Gamer Looks At 40 The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dan’s list Sam’s list Jon’s List Bills List   Niche Please : Plumber Free Kart Racers   Trivia Card Show Topics   E3 is going away A little history: First E3 expo in 1995 Early troubles, 1996 saw Sony do it’s own playstation expo and sega pull out at last minute Held in Atlanta Georgia 1997 and 1998 Flirted with smaller scale event in 2007 and 2008 Reverted to larger format, increasing emphasis on being open to the public, not just industry insiders 2020 cancellation Dead? ESA allegedly still planning a conference in 2024 Favorite E3 memories Community Couch Q from Stevens_NES: Does anyone else have an example of this? A genre of game that they played as a kid that has now secretly morphed into their favorite? (his example was metroid) I’m Back!!! Aka Flightsy: Community Couch Question: What do you think of my glorious return to the discord? See you on Episode 100!   Thanks BILL!   Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Twitter at @RetrologicGames. You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my twitter bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

  Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Dan Caporello here with John Cummis and Sam Wagers.    But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Tell me one thing that happened this week! Housekeeping Sam: Blog and Streaming updates MMBN2 Hard Mode -Battle chip Challenge John: On Topic/Retro Rewind updates, Waverace, Tetris FilmLogic: Mike Writes, Solo Something, Tim RetroGroove: High Five: Top 5 1990’s Cartoon Theme Songs New Merch! The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dan’s list Sam’s list Jon’s List   Trivia Card Show Topics   When what’s old is new: Playing games at launch vs. coming into retro games fresh -games panned at the time vs. beloved classics now WindWaker EarthBound   Community Couch Games panned at launch but gained popularity: Ri Sol-ju : God Hand Octorock (Adam): Zelda II PrestoThe Magnificent: Among Us Spider Shan: no man’s sky   Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Twitter at @RetrologicGames. You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my twitter bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Dan Caporello here with John Cummis and Sam Wagers.    But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Tell me one thing that happened this week!   Housekeeping - Big Week! Sam: Blog and Streaming updates MMBN2 Hard Mode - postgame wrap up!  Battle chip Challenge start! Blog: Games from Across the Multiverse #1: The Legend of Zelda Harmonica of Time for the Atari Jaguar John: On Topic/Retro Rewind updates, survey results, Retroid Pocket Review Crazy Taxi Waverace, Retro Rewind Champions FilmLogic: Mike Writes, Solo Something, Tim - Best Fictional movie Presidents, plus Marvel fatigue RetroGroove: Best Cartoon Theme Songs from the 80’s , 90’s are next and the competition is fierce! National Weights and Measures Week   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dan’s list Sam’s list Jon’s List   Trivia Card   Ambassador’s new game “Niche Please”   Show Topics Re-Playing Games How has your opinion on a game changed on a repeat playthrough?   Earthworm Jim Claymates Pokemon BOTW Metroid Prime   Community comments   Presto Sonic Colors. Played the OG on Wii, it was my first Sonic game, and had good memories.    Bozo F-Zero GX comes to mind. When I first played it in 8th grade I couldn't understand how anyone could even reach the credits, Now after 100%-ing the game multiple times and beating all the staff ghosts, GX provides a catharsis and a sense of mastery that other racing games simply can't compete with. Everything else feels so pedestrian in comparison. It's gaming in its purest, most intense form and I love it. Octorock (Adam) Replaying games multiple times is a luxury that I haven’t really had in a long time. The first exception to this is probably going to be Breath of the Wild which I just recently started a quick playthrough in anticipation of Tears for Fears coming out in May. Conversely, having just started playing Metroid Prime Remastered, I’m amazed at how much I actually remember considering I haven’t played it in 20 years! SoloSomething Elden Ring currently playing a second time and will say opinion did change on this one.  The 1st play thru I got so frustrated multiple times I literally deleted the game off my PS5 because I was drained by the boss fights.  And now on my 2nd play it is my junk food game that I love to just jump and go raise Hell and see what trophy I can get.   Community Couch Two Dollar Hero Are there any games you actually never want to replay? I call these “big fish” games — I want them to stay rose tinted in my memory; I want to always remember the fish that I caught being massive and I don’t want to revisit it and see that it actually wasn’t. A good example of this for me is Journey. I’ll never play that game again - I had my experience. Danverse Finale (or is it?)   Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Twitter at @RetrologicGames. You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my twitter bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Pre-Show What did you buy? What did you play? Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Dan Caporello here with John Cummis and Sam Wagers.    But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games   Tell me one thing that happened this week!   Housekeeping Sam: Blog and Streaming updates MMBN2 Hard Mode - postgame Hamtaro Ham Ham Heartbreak Special Valentines day John: On Topic/Retro Rewind updates, Crazy Taxi FilmLogic: Mike Writes, Solo Something, Tim - Best and worst movie relationships RetroGroove: The Cover Up!!! Music’s best, weirdest, and most unexpected cover songs.   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess Dan’s list Sam’s list Andross’s List   Trivia Card Show Topics Breath of the Wild - 6 Years later   How does it Hold up?   Tears of the Kingdom Community Couch electricmastro Question for all: What is a game series that you think would work well as a tactical RPG even though it never had such a game before?   ChrisHL94 For all the N64 Goldeneye fans; what is your favourite multiplayer scenario/settings? Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, check me out on Twitter at @RetrologicGames. You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community! The link to that is in my twitter bio. You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games