Ep 98 - Opinions Changed part 2: Panned at Launch

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with John Cummins and Shannon Eno! How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Streaming to return….sometime John: On Topic Retro: Pokemon X & Y wrapping up May 15th, On topic Modern Unicorn soon? FilmLogic: Fallout ep 1 review RetroGroove: High Five - Top 5 Hollywood actors turned musicians Star Wars Dads launching May 4!   What We’ve Been Playing Guest -  Sam - , Ender Lilies: Quietus of the Knights, Dark Arms: Beast Buster 1999, Metal Slug 1st Mission John - Assassins Creed Black Flag, Pokemon X, and Spider Man 2 on hold finished the Fallout series Shannon - Unicorn Overlord, LoZ:Four Swords Adventure, Stitched, Cryptrio   The Price Is Retro  If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for for our trio of automated competitors: The Ghost (Polterguest), the Robot (Deus Guess Machina), and the Dinosaur (???Retrosaurus???)  They each make their own guess as well! Sam’s list John’s list Shannon’s list Trivia Card Show Topics  36:10 Online Shut Downs DS  April 1, 2016: The day it was announced that the Nintendo DSi Shop would close in 2017. September 30, 2016: The last day to have purchased points in the Nintendo DSi Shop using a credit card or to have redeemed Nintendo DSi Points Cards in the Nintendo DSi Shop. March 31, 2017: The last day to have purchased software in the Nintendo DSi Shop. Photo dojo, Dragon Quest Wars, Dark Void Zero, SteamWorld: Tower Defense, Pyoro, Mighty Flip Champs!, A Kappa's Trail, WarioWare: Snapped!, The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Anniversary Edition -Wii -   September 29, 2017: The day it was announced that the Wii Shop will close in 2019. March 26, 2018: The last day to have purchased points in the Wii Shop or redeem Points Cards in the Wii Shop. January 30, 2019: The last day to have purchased software in the Wii Shop. Adventure Island: The Beginning,Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth, Contra ReBirth, Excitebike: World Rally, FAST Racing League, Gradius ReBirth - 3DS As of May 23, 2022, it is no longer possible to use a credit card to add funds to an account in Nintendo eShop on Wii U or the Nintendo 3DS family of systems. As of August 29, 2022, it is no longer possible to use a Nintendo eShop Card to add funds to an account in Nintendo eShop on Wii U or the Nintendo 3DS family of systems. As of April 3, 2023, it is no longer possible to redeem download codes in Nintendo eShop on Wii U or the Nintendo 3DS family of systems. As of March 11, 2024, it is no longer possible to combine the Nintendo eShop fund balance between a Nintendo Network ID and a Nintendo Account Crimson Shroud, Rusty's Real Deal Baseball,  Ace Attorney Dual Destinies,  Ace Attorney Spirit of Justice, Pushmo, Crashmo and Stretchmo, Attack of the Friday Monsters, Box Boy, Box Box Boy, Bye Bye Box Boy, Liberation Maiden, Harmo Knight, Sakura Samurai Art of the Sword, Rhythm Heaven Megamix, Nintendo Badge Arcade -Wii U Dr. Luigi, Affordable Space Adventures,  -Xbox 360 - The Xbox 360 Store and the Xbox 360 Marketplace (marketplace.xbox.com) will be retired on July 29, 2024 Eric Plunk I think Microsoft has done the best job out of anyone on backwards compatibility and preservation of their Xbox library. 630 out of 2,155 360 games and 60 out of 998 original Xbox games have been made available on the Xbox One & Series X. While this softens the blow of the 360 marketplace’s closure there are still a massive amount of games being left behind. Physical copies of these games will and in some cases already have seen an increase in value. Digital only games like Rush ‘N Attack Expatriot, Rez HD, Vigilante 8 Arcade, and all of the Arcade Kinect games will be largely left to time, piracy notwithstanding. Here’s hoping that the recently rumored renewed focus on backwards compatibility from Microsoft comes to fruition.     - PS3 -While Sony had previously announced in 2021 that it was shutting down its PS3 digital storefront, the company reversed its decision after a backlash from fans. Both the PS3 servers and store remain in operation in 2024.   Thoughts -   Community Couch     JosiahP. — 04/22/2024 10:21 AM Super Mario Maker for the Wii u hit me hard- do you think that revival services like RiiConnect24 or PriiTendo are a good option for revival projects? Eric Plunk — 04/22/2024 10:40 AM I wish I had the foresight to download the Konami Rebirth series of games from WiiWare before the Wii Shop closed down. Every company should make a better effort to preserve and make these games available on future hardware.   adam — 04/22/2024 2:21 PM don’t have a story to tell, but instead a meme to share! but it’s wild to me that games like the crew can get delisted.   Presto — 04/22/2024 2:48 PM What's your favorite WiiWare game?   Mike Writes — 04/22/2024 4:09 PM Xbox 360 store is going offline in June. It might be your last chance to Ms. Splosion. Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with John Cummins and Shannon Eno! How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Streaming to return….sometime John: On Topic Retro: Game Boy Anniversary, Pokemon X & Y, On topic Modern Unicorn when? FilmLogic: 16 Franchise Bracket RetroGroove:  Expand my mind: Max Martin Star Wars Dads launching May 4!   What We’ve Been Playing Guest -  Sam - Unicorn Overlord (cleared), Ender Lilies: Quietus of the Knights, Dokapon Kingdom John - Unicorn Overlord Done, Pokemon X, and Spider Man 2 Watching the Fallout series Shannon - Unicorn Overlord, LoZ:Four Swords Adventure, Tales of Arise   The Price Is Retro 25:50 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for for our trio of automated competitors: The Ghost (Polterguest), the Robot (Deus Guess Machina), and the Dinosaur (???Retrosaurus???)  They each make their own guess as well! Sam’s list John’s list Shannon’s list Trivia Card Show Topics  42:56 Super Metroid Turns 30! Original release date: March 19, 1994 (Japan) April 18, 1994 (NA), July 28, 1994 (PAL)   -First metroid game to be directed by Yoshio Sakamoto -featured the ability to fire in all directions while moving -auto-mapping   -sound programmer and composer Kenji Yamamoto cites  he approached the work“"with a sound programmer's ear, with a sound effect creator's ear, and with the approach methodology and theory of a composer". -would not get another metroid game until Fusion in 2002 -Staple of later retro-game services (virtual console, NSO online,    -Our experience with the game -Legacy - (creating a genre?)   Community Couch  1:12:10 @txTrey Guys I've never played super Metroid more than an hour because I got stuck and gave up. I've beaten dread, fusion, and returns remake. Should I walk or run into playing super Metroid? Does it do anything better than the games that came after it? Or was it remarkable for being the first of the great Metroid games?   Dan - RetroLogic — 04/07/2024 5:29 PM I play it for the first time ever a few years ago and it's undoubtedly one of my favorite games of all time now.   BUT I didn't play it without some help. There are a few points in the game where what you need to do next is unintentionally opaque. I own the paper guide so I limited myself to that. But if you get stuck, just look it up.   The game is amazing and 100% worth playing.   OctoRock_1982 — 04/07/2024 6:05 PM As an adult with normal adult responsibilities, there are plenty of retro games that will give you a much more enjoyable experience using a guide when you don’t have endless childhood summers and afternoons filled with nothing but free time to explore every single pixel of a game.   Solo — 04/07/2024 6:41 PM After coming off Metroid and many Summer afternoons firing your way thru an underground maze; do you feel Super Metroid in comparison was an easier game to finish since you had a working foundation now? (edited) Mike Writes — 04/07/2024 7:40 PM Which genre needs to make a comeback? Claymation games 3D fighters that are very realistic Guitar Hero games Hong Kong style bullet time shooters WW2 first person shooters that are not multiplayer Mech sims   PrestoTheMagnificent — 04/08/2024 3:49 PM Name 5 franchises that are better than super metroid   Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins  How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Mega Mondays:Stay tuned, I’m moving John: On Topic Retro: Spanky’s Quest Retro Rewind, Pokemon X & Y FilmLogic: Oscar Talk 2024 RetroGroove:  Khruangbin The Price Is Retro 10:06 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   2 Show Topics Top Strategy RPGs Our lists Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins  How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Mega Mondays:Stay tuned, I’m moving John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Oracle games, Spanky’s Quest Retro Rewind FilmLogic: Nimona and Francis Ford Coppola RetroGroove:  Family Affair: Top Sibling bands by Decade Talk about Retro Protection - Dan Godkin   The Price Is Retro 10:06 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   29:36 Show Topics 25 Years of Super Smash Bros. SSB 64 released April 26, 1999 (NA) (January 21 Japan, November 19, EU) -Began development as Dragon King: the Fighting Game, Nintendo characters added later -Master of Hype, then and now -marketing -Slamfest ‘99 and the “Happy Together” Commercial. -how did you find out about the game? -Nintendo Power coverage -A fighting game (?) unlike any other -simple inputs -wide mobility (“platform fighter”) - “party game” - items and stage hazards -Introduction to a wider world of Nintendo -recognizing characters -curiosity about other characters -unifying Nintendo as a brand Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and special guest Adam Caporello   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! New game +: Leg’s go again! GOTY 30 episode is live Star Fox declared best soundtrack over Plok, the world over weeps John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Ocarina of Time, F Zero X FilmLogic: 2023 Movie Report Card RetroGroove:  Albums of the year special   The Price Is Retro 0945 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   2030 Show Topics Gaming Goals for the year   Games to beat? Collection goals? RetroLogic Goals?   Community Couch 4320 MikeWrites Gamers are debating the best generational leap. I would say the Saturn to Dreamcast was a pretty big jump, 128 bit, online gaming, PC engine gaming, arcade perfection. Others argue that the jump from GBA to PSP will never happen again in our time. I would consider the Wii to Switch if Nintendo didn't make a WiiU DOS to Steam lol? Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and special guest Zach   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! New game +: Leg’s go again! GOTY30 incoming John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Ocarina of Time, F Zero X FilmLogic: Best Films of 1993 (every category) RetroGroove:  S3 E7: City Pop: Japanese Joyful Vibes   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card Show Topics How to Play N64 on modern TVs Analogue 3D -N64   N64 NSO: another way to play? N64 NSO additions -Jet force Gemini -Harvest Moon 64 - 1080 Snowboarding   Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and special guest Zach   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! New game +: Leg’s go again! blog - Illogic from Mike! - Pikmin War Crimes John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Alttp, Blaster Master Enemy Below  FilmLogic: Laika Studios: Stop Motion Genius and Emo Pixar RetroGroove:  S3 E6 Rick Rubin: The Transparency of Sound 04:30 The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   18:47 Show Topics   Collecting with Zach! -What got you into collecting? -What are you adding to your collection lately?   -Goals?  Anything fun you want to share? Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

On this episode Sam and I enjoy the new podcast plus as we discuss what we think about new game plus options in games!  Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! blog - Illogic from Mike! - Wario goes to Seminary John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Alttp, Blaster Master Enemy Below  FilmLogic: Pre-2023 Video Game Movies RetroGroove:  Groove Gear, Rhodes and Wurlitzer Electric Pianos   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   Show Topics   New Game +   Chrono Trigger- Not the first, but first to call it “New Game +” or “New game with Strength” Other Early Examples: The Legend of Zelda (“Another Quest”), Metroid, Ghosts N’ Goblins, Kirby’s Dream Land (“Extra Game”) Super Mario Galaxy Luigi Mode New Game + in RPGS Go back in right away, or after a long break? New Game + and Difficulty (sometimes it’s hard mode, sometimes it’s easy mode) New Game + exclusive content (secret endings, alternate characters, quests, etc.) Sam’s Recent Examples - Armored Core VI - Mega Man Battle Network 4 -Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter -Triangle Strategy Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! blog - Games from across the multiverse: How Plok Saved the world in Verse 16121511!  Also,  John: On Topic Retro; Joy Mech Fight Tourney!,  FilmLogic: Mission Impossible and Fall movies RetroGroove: Season 3 episode 4: spooky playlist The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Mike’s guest list Trivia Card   Show Topics   What’s the Deal with Shmups? Sub-topic Smorgasbord Sam: how the TG-16 mini and sunk cost fallacy convinced me to give the genre more attention Side-scrolling vs vertical scrolling Multidirectional shooters Difficulty: are shmups too hard to be approachable? Which games are a good gateway? Solar Striker UN Squadron Twinbee Blazing Lasers Soldier Blade Salamander/Life Force Einhander? Shmups on NSO Gradius Pop’n twinbee Star soldier S.C.A.T. (Special cybernetic attack team) Super E.D.F. M.U.S.H.A Zero Wing Super Fantasy Zone Other games of interest: Ikaruga Radiant Silvergun Gradius Darius Raiden R-type Lords of Thunder Twinkle Star Sprites Parodius Cho Aniki Cotton Series Playing shmups through emulation/remasters: things to keep in mind When to use rewind/save states Turbo Controllers, esp. For arcade games Shmup Levels in other games   Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

On this weeks episode of RetroLogic Sam and John finish talking about what could have been!  Canceled games (Part2) The RetroLogic crew goes through history pulling out all the canceled games they wish would have went gold!