Ep 92 - Difficulty VS Accessibility

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with John Cummins and Shannon Eno! How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Streaming to return….sometime John: On Topic Retro: Game Boy Anniversary, Pokemon X & Y, On topic Modern Unicorn when? FilmLogic: 16 Franchise Bracket RetroGroove:  Expand my mind: Max Martin Star Wars Dads launching May 4!   What We’ve Been Playing Guest -  Sam - Unicorn Overlord (cleared), Ender Lilies: Quietus of the Knights, Dokapon Kingdom John - Unicorn Overlord Done, Pokemon X, and Spider Man 2 Watching the Fallout series Shannon - Unicorn Overlord, LoZ:Four Swords Adventure, Tales of Arise   The Price Is Retro 25:50 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for for our trio of automated competitors: The Ghost (Polterguest), the Robot (Deus Guess Machina), and the Dinosaur (???Retrosaurus???)  They each make their own guess as well! Sam’s list John’s list Shannon’s list Trivia Card Show Topics  42:56 Super Metroid Turns 30! Original release date: March 19, 1994 (Japan) April 18, 1994 (NA), July 28, 1994 (PAL)   -First metroid game to be directed by Yoshio Sakamoto -featured the ability to fire in all directions while moving -auto-mapping   -sound programmer and composer Kenji Yamamoto cites  he approached the work“"with a sound programmer's ear, with a sound effect creator's ear, and with the approach methodology and theory of a composer". -would not get another metroid game until Fusion in 2002 -Staple of later retro-game services (virtual console, NSO online,    -Our experience with the game -Legacy - (creating a genre?)   Community Couch  1:12:10 @txTrey Guys I've never played super Metroid more than an hour because I got stuck and gave up. I've beaten dread, fusion, and returns remake. Should I walk or run into playing super Metroid? Does it do anything better than the games that came after it? Or was it remarkable for being the first of the great Metroid games?   Dan - RetroLogic — 04/07/2024 5:29 PM I play it for the first time ever a few years ago and it's undoubtedly one of my favorite games of all time now.   BUT I didn't play it without some help. There are a few points in the game where what you need to do next is unintentionally opaque. I own the paper guide so I limited myself to that. But if you get stuck, just look it up.   The game is amazing and 100% worth playing.   OctoRock_1982 — 04/07/2024 6:05 PM As an adult with normal adult responsibilities, there are plenty of retro games that will give you a much more enjoyable experience using a guide when you don’t have endless childhood summers and afternoons filled with nothing but free time to explore every single pixel of a game.   Solo — 04/07/2024 6:41 PM After coming off Metroid and many Summer afternoons firing your way thru an underground maze; do you feel Super Metroid in comparison was an easier game to finish since you had a working foundation now? (edited) Mike Writes — 04/07/2024 7:40 PM Which genre needs to make a comeback? Claymation games 3D fighters that are very realistic Guitar Hero games Hong Kong style bullet time shooters WW2 first person shooters that are not multiplayer Mech sims   PrestoTheMagnificent — 04/08/2024 3:49 PM Name 5 franchises that are better than super metroid   Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins  How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Mega Mondays:Stay tuned, I’m moving John: On Topic Retro: Spanky’s Quest Retro Rewind, Pokemon X & Y FilmLogic: Oscar Talk 2024 RetroGroove:  Khruangbin The Price Is Retro 10:06 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   2 Show Topics Top Strategy RPGs Our lists Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins  How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Mega Mondays:Stay tuned, I’m moving John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Oracle games, Spanky’s Quest Retro Rewind FilmLogic: Nimona and Francis Ford Coppola RetroGroove:  Family Affair: Top Sibling bands by Decade Talk about Retro Protection - Dan Godkin   The Price Is Retro 10:06 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   29:36 Show Topics 25 Years of Super Smash Bros. SSB 64 released April 26, 1999 (NA) (January 21 Japan, November 19, EU) -Began development as Dragon King: the Fighting Game, Nintendo characters added later -Master of Hype, then and now -marketing -Slamfest ‘99 and the “Happy Together” Commercial. -how did you find out about the game? -Nintendo Power coverage -A fighting game (?) unlike any other -simple inputs -wide mobility (“platform fighter”) - “party game” - items and stage hazards -Introduction to a wider world of Nintendo -recognizing characters -curiosity about other characters -unifying Nintendo as a brand Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and special guest Adam Caporello   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! New game +: Leg’s go again! GOTY 30 episode is live Star Fox declared best soundtrack over Plok, the world over weeps John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Ocarina of Time, F Zero X FilmLogic: 2023 Movie Report Card RetroGroove:  Albums of the year special   The Price Is Retro 0945 If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   2030 Show Topics Gaming Goals for the year   Games to beat? Collection goals? RetroLogic Goals?   Community Couch 4320 MikeWrites Gamers are debating the best generational leap. I would say the Saturn to Dreamcast was a pretty big jump, 128 bit, online gaming, PC engine gaming, arcade perfection. Others argue that the jump from GBA to PSP will never happen again in our time. I would consider the Wii to Switch if Nintendo didn't make a WiiU DOS to Steam lol? Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and special guest Zach   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! New game +: Leg’s go again! GOTY30 incoming John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Ocarina of Time, F Zero X FilmLogic: Best Films of 1993 (every category) RetroGroove:  S3 E7: City Pop: Japanese Joyful Vibes   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card Show Topics How to Play N64 on modern TVs Analogue 3D -N64   N64 NSO: another way to play? N64 NSO additions -Jet force Gemini -Harvest Moon 64 - 1080 Snowboarding   Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and special guest Zach   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! New game +: Leg’s go again! blog - Illogic from Mike! - Pikmin War Crimes John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Alttp, Blaster Master Enemy Below  FilmLogic: Laika Studios: Stop Motion Genius and Emo Pixar RetroGroove:  S3 E6 Rick Rubin: The Transparency of Sound 04:30 The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   18:47 Show Topics   Collecting with Zach! -What got you into collecting? -What are you adding to your collection lately?   -Goals?  Anything fun you want to share? Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games  

On this episode Sam and I enjoy the new podcast plus as we discuss what we think about new game plus options in games!  Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! blog - Illogic from Mike! - Wario goes to Seminary John: On Topic Retro; Zelda Alttp, Blaster Master Enemy Below  FilmLogic: Pre-2023 Video Game Movies RetroGroove:  Groove Gear, Rhodes and Wurlitzer Electric Pianos   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Trivia Card   Show Topics   New Game +   Chrono Trigger- Not the first, but first to call it “New Game +” or “New game with Strength” Other Early Examples: The Legend of Zelda (“Another Quest”), Metroid, Ghosts N’ Goblins, Kirby’s Dream Land (“Extra Game”) Super Mario Galaxy Luigi Mode New Game + in RPGS Go back in right away, or after a long break? New Game + and Difficulty (sometimes it’s hard mode, sometimes it’s easy mode) New Game + exclusive content (secret endings, alternate characters, quests, etc.) Sam’s Recent Examples - Armored Core VI - Mega Man Battle Network 4 -Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter -Triangle Strategy Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 4 Blue Moon! blog - Games from across the multiverse: How Plok Saved the world in Verse 16121511!  Also,  John: On Topic Retro; Joy Mech Fight Tourney!,  FilmLogic: Mission Impossible and Fall movies RetroGroove: Season 3 episode 4: spooky playlist The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Mike’s guest list Trivia Card   Show Topics   What’s the Deal with Shmups? Sub-topic Smorgasbord Sam: how the TG-16 mini and sunk cost fallacy convinced me to give the genre more attention Side-scrolling vs vertical scrolling Multidirectional shooters Difficulty: are shmups too hard to be approachable? Which games are a good gateway? Solar Striker UN Squadron Twinbee Blazing Lasers Soldier Blade Salamander/Life Force Einhander? Shmups on NSO Gradius Pop’n twinbee Star soldier S.C.A.T. (Special cybernetic attack team) Super E.D.F. M.U.S.H.A Zero Wing Super Fantasy Zone Other games of interest: Ikaruga Radiant Silvergun Gradius Darius Raiden R-type Lords of Thunder Twinkle Star Sprites Parodius Cho Aniki Cotton Series Playing shmups through emulation/remasters: things to keep in mind When to use rewind/save states Turbo Controllers, esp. For arcade games Shmup Levels in other games   Community Couch Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games

On this weeks episode of RetroLogic Sam and John finish talking about what could have been!  Canceled games (Part2) The RetroLogic crew goes through history pulling out all the canceled games they wish would have went gold!

On this weeks episode of RetroLogic Sam and John are joined by none other than the Two Dollar Hero himself to talk about what could have been!  Canceled games (Part1) The RetroLogic crew goes through history pulling out all the canceled games they wish would have went gold! Introduction Welcome to RetroLogic! I’m Sam Wagers here with , John Cummins and returning guest Seth of the All N Podast!   How are you?   But RetroLogic isn’t just a podcast. It’s a community of retro gamers! - We’ve got an active, friendly, and free discord. - Giveaways - Contests - AND Dive into our family of Retro podcasts! Like RetroGroove, a music history podcast, Filmlogic, streaming and movie film podcast, and On Topic Retro, a podcast dedicated to 1 video game per episode hosted by our very own John Cummins. - you can find everything at our website retrologic.games Housekeeping Sam: Now Streaming Battle Network 3 Blue! MMBN3 Quest for 100% completion - the end?, blog - Games from across the multiverse: Goemon Boiling over! John: On Topic Retro; Zelda 2 FilmLogic: Summies Awards 2023 RetroGroove: On break for summer, catch up on Season 2!   The Price Is Retro If this is your first time playing Price Is Retro, here’s how we play. I’m going to list off 4 or 5 games and everyone has to guess how much the lot is worth in total. Whoever is closest to the actual value wins that round! Everyone has a list and everyone guesses on each other's list. At the end, the player that won the most rounds wins the episode! But watch out for the robot Deus Guess Machina! He averages all of our guesses together for his own guess   Sam’s list John’s list Seth’s List   Trivia Card   Show Topics Canceled Games we wish we could play (or at least see finished)   Mario Motors 3ds Yutaka “Yoot” Saito (Odama, Seaman, SimTower, Aeroporter) revealed its canceled development at 2018’s Reboot Develop conference. Based on Yoot’s latest hobby of sculpting chunks of metal and him chatting about it with Shigeru Miyamoto and Satoru Iwata Saito could not give a reason why the game was canceled. -Game was based around the concept of building engines by shaving and sculpting chunks of metal. -at one point intended to blow into DS microphone (because YS loves microphones) -Unclear if you would actually ever race using these engines -only two characters confirmed in concept art, Mario (duh) and an elderly scientist (no, not E. Gadd)   Super Mario Spikers Wii -volleyball-wrestling hybrid sport game to be developed by Next Level games team responsible for Mario Strikers games -carried over experience from the also canceled WWE Titans: parts unknown (the same team worked on it and really didn’t want these ideas to go to waste -WWE parts unknwn itself is super interesting:  crazy stylized take on pro wrestling, featuring fantastic environments and the ability to wrestle bears, crocodiles, sorcerers, etc. - Nintendo felt the violence in the game was too realistic for something featuring mario’s characters Other Picks:   Mega Man Universe Mega Man ZX3/ZXC Scalebound Prey 2 Phantom Dust Reboot Jade Empire 2   NES Aliens (based on the film,Famicom disk system, Square developed, run n’ gun action platformer Sunman (Sunsoft attempted rebrand of Superman game, plays like their batman games, mostly complete)   Gamecube: Casualties of Microsoft’s Acquisition of Rare DK64 sequel on gamecube Banjo 3 on gamecube (kinda retooled to nuts & bolts eventually) Diddy Kong Pilot (was eventually released as banjo pilot) Diddy Kong Racing Adventure (oddly enough started at another studio before moving to rare and then getting axed) Perfect dark zero Rare was also working with microsoft on a monster hunter-like game at some point.  Concept art:   Kirby Tilt n’ tumble 2 Untitled earthbound game (developed by Baten Kaitos team of Monolith Soft) possibly a remake? Raven Blade (RPG by Retro canceled so they could make Metroid Prime) Thunder Rally (another retro project, car combat game intended to compete with Twisted Metal)   The Wii Vitality Sensor Project H.A.M.M.E.R : beat ‘em up set in future USA, as a robot with a giant hammer, used motion controls.  Intended to integrate wii motionplus at some point.  Troubled development ended with a team with low morale making accusations against the management   Turrican 3D   Starcraft Ghost   Varuna’s Forces: (developed by accent media, published by atari), planned for Jaguar CD, 3DO, dreamcast, Saturn, PC) hybrid Third person shooter/strategy game with on-rail shooter segments.  (couldn’t get a break on those platforms folding. Community Couch Presto Why is Walmart the worst store? What's the best store? Submit YOUR canceled games for Part 2!   Tell us about All N, KNW, carpool! Thanks for listening to the RetroLogic Podcast! We are proudly part of the Nintendo Dads family of podcasts. If you like what you hear, You’re also welcome to jump into our friendly and 100% non-toxic Discord Community!  You can also find everything on our website Retrologic.games