The Immunity Decision

Last week, the DC election interference case inched forward, as Judge Tanya Chutkan approved the public release of Jack Smith’s redacted source documents that helped frame his already public immunity briefing. But she also agreed to stay that release until October 17th, as Trump’s legal team decides if they want to seek an appeal. MSNBC legal analysts Mary McCord and Andrew Weissmann walk through how that scenario might play out, and why it could become a moot point after Thursday. Then, they take aim at critics who’ve been publicly decrying the release of the government’s immunity briefing, by pointing out that the DOJ’s “60-day rule” is not a law, and that the guidance is for new matters, not for cases that have already been charged. And before wrapping up, Andrew and Mary give their read on the disturbing politicization of FEMA's disaster response and answer a few listener questions. Further Reading: As Andrew mentioned, here is his piece, co-authored with Ryan Goodman, on Just Security: Refuting the Latest Baseless Attacks Against Special Counsel Jack Smith.Also, just two more days to vote! Prosecuting Donald Trump and Into America have been nominated for the Signal Listener's Choice Award! And MSNBC needs your help to win. Use the links below to vote for both shows:Prosecuting Donald Trump in the Shows - News & Politics category.Into America presents: Uncounted Millions in the Limited Series & Specials - Money & Finance category and Limited Series & Specials - News & Politics categories.Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.

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After Judge Tanya Chutkan ordered a redacted version of the government's filing on immunity to be released, new information about Donald Trump’s post-election efforts came to light. Jack Smith argues that the allegations detailed in the filing were "fundamentally" done as a candidate, and not in an official capacity. Veteran prosecutors Mary McCord and Andrew Weissmann frame the government's case, describing the new allegations now in the public sphere and Trump’s continued assertion that this is “election interference.” Then, they review another motion to dismiss brought by Trump’s lawyers, this one referencing the Fischer case.Also, some exciting news! Prosecuting Donald Trump and Into America have been nominated for the Signal Listener's Choice Award! And MSNBC needs your help to win. Use the links below to vote for both shows:Prosecuting Donald Trump in the Shows - News & Politics category.Into America presents: Uncounted Millions in the Limited Series & Specials - Money & Finance category and Limited Series & Specials - News & Politics categories.Further Reading: Here is Special Counsel Jack Smith’s unsealed Motion for Immunity Determinations.Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.

In the DC election interference case, Special Counsel Jack Smith filed his 180-page opening brief under seal last week, along with a request to release a redacted version to the public. MSNBC legal analysts Mary McCord and Andrew Weissmann analyze how this will play out, what aspects would need to be removed, and if/when the public might see a redacted version. Then, they head north to Manhattan, where a 5-judge panel held oral arguments in Donald Trump’s appeal of his New York civil fraud judgement. And a few other headlines grabbed Andrew and Mary’s attention this week from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, current New York Mayor Eric Adams, and a defamation lawsuit from Springfield, Ohio. Plus: time to answer a few listener questions.Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.

Tuesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing titled: “‘When the President Does It, that Means It’s Not Illegal’: The Supreme Court’s Unprecedented Immunity Decision”, and MSNBC legal analyst Mary McCord was called to testify before the committee. She and Andrew Weissmann reflect on what she laid out for the Senators concerning the fallout from the Supreme Court’s immunity decision. Then, they review the flurry of filings in Trump’s DC election interference case, where Jack Smith’s team is expected to file a substantial opening brief on Thursday. And lastly, after weeks of harassment and bomb threats, a non-profit group in Springfield, Ohio filed citizen-led criminal charges against Donald Trump and JD Vance for repeating lies that have allegedly led to threats against Haitian immigrants living in the community.Further reading:Here is Mary’s opening statement before the Senate Judiciary Committee.Here is the Just Security piece Andrew mentioned from Adam Klasfeld and Ryan Goodman, citing twelve instances of targeting supposed foes during the Trump administration: Chronology of a Dozen Times Trump Pushed to Prosecute His Perceived EnemiesWant to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.

As the FBI continues to investigate the second apparent Trump assassination attempt, MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord describe the charges brought and the reasoning behind them. Then, they move to the latest out of Georgia after Judge McAfee dismissed three counts from the 41-count indictment, while allowing the rest to go forward. And lastly, Mary and Andrew welcome Adav Noti, Executive Director of the Campaign Legal Center, to calm some concerns about certain jurisdictions refusing to certify this November's election results.Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.

We’re thrilled to share a mashup of our MSNBC Live: Democracy 2024 event that we recently held at the Brooklyn Academy of Music. The whole day was a celebration of you, our viewers and listeners. It was the first of its kind in-person, interactive experience. We so enjoyed meeting so many of you. But if you couldn’t join us in person, you’re in luck – we’re sharing key conversations in this episode. For more, be sure to check out our TV special airing Saturday, September 14th at 9 p.m. ET. For your reference, here are timecodes for the sessions included here:Claire McCaskill, Jen Psaki, and Andrea Mitchell 0:01:30-0:31:23Chris Hayes & Kate Shaw 0:31:36-0:51:20Andrew Weissmann & Ari Melber 0:51:25-1:12:53Rachel Maddow & Lawrence O’Donnell 1:13:13-1:45:45 

There was a lot of movement late last week in Donald Trump’s ongoing criminal cases in DC and New York, but with very different results. Veteran prosecutors Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord review last Thursday’s status hearing in Trump’s DC election interference case and break down the new deadlines set in Judge Chutkan’s scheduling order. Then, they dig into the nuance of Judge Merchan’s decision to push back the date of Trump’s sentencing, as well as delaying his ruling on how immunity applies to the case until after the November election. And before winding up today’s episode, Mary and Andrew give their uniquely informed take on the DOJ’s actions regarding Russian efforts to interfere and influence the 2024 election.Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.

Last Friday’s joint filing in the DC election interference case before Judge Chutkan highlighted the deep chasm between Special Counsel Jack Smith and Trump’s legal team when it comes to how to proceed after the immunity decision. MSNBC legal analysts Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord give their unique perspective on what both sides offered up and which arguments hold merit. Then, they head to New York to detail the second effort by Trump’s legal team to remove the hush money case to federal court, weeks before his scheduled sentencing before Judge Merchan.*** A note: Shortly after this episode was recorded, the federal judge denied leave to Mr. Trump to file removal papers after determining that no good cause for the late filing had been shown and removal to federal court was not warranted. Next stop: Trump can appeal that denial to the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.Also to listeners:  MSNBC Live Democracy 2024 is now sold out. Thank you for everyone who signed up to join us this weekend. And if you didn’t manage to grab a ticket, we’ll be posting selections of Saturday’s conversations as a podcast next week, so keep an eye out for that.

Sooner than expected, it’s our 100th episode! In the latest event triggered by SCOTUS’ ruling on presidential immunity, special counsel Jack Smith has filed a superseding indictment in the election interference case against former President Donald Trump. So in an extra episode for you this week, former prosecutors Mary McCord and Andrew Weissmann weigh in on what’s been added and struck from the prosecution’s allegations, Jack Smith’s strategy, and what this means for the case moving forward.  Read the new superseding indictment and accompanying filing, along with last year’s original indictment.  Want to listen to this show without ads? Sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. As a subscriber you’ll also be able to get occasional bonus content from this and other shows.And be sure to grab your tickets for MSNBC Live Democracy 2024 on Sept 7th! Join fellow fans and viewers for an event connecting you with MSNBC's most trusted hosts and experts. Rachel Maddow, Steve Kornacki, Andrew Weissmann and many more. All in one place. All live on stage. All in one day.