Getting started with Commercial Real Estate Investing, or an experienced investor? This is a weekly podcast on the steps that I take to make my Commercial Real Estate investments (Retail, Office, Self Storage, etc) including successes and lessons learned. We cover advanced techniques for purchasing, operating, and exiting your properties, from the best people in the industry. You will learn everything you need to know about real estate investing. We are based in San Francisco / Silicon Valley and also cover how technology affects Commercial Real Estate, and how you can stay ahead of the game. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
How to Reduce Taxes: Business Owners & Real Estate Professionals
11:11What are some strategies available for business owners and real estate professionals to decrease their taxes? Tim Gertz, CPA and Partner at Provision Wealth, will be exploring these scenarios with us. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/42kvJk2 For business owners, including law firms, dentists, etc, what are some tax strategies available? The tax code is created for you. That is the incentive based model that has been created for you as a business owner to create wealth, or to create jobs, and more opportunity for them to tax more people. For business owners, the sky's the limit. In order to take a deduction under the code, it has to be ordinary and necessary for what you're doing. Every business is different, but as long as you can look at your business and make sure that you align your facts with what you're trying to do, you can duck almost everything. There are huge opportunities, we still have bonus depreciation in play. If you buy any equipment, meals, travel, auto expense, home office, it continues to go on. The inflation Reduction Act included huge opportunities for solar, if you have a commercial office building, you can put solar on it, you can get up to a 70% tax credit this year on that. On top of that, if you don't have a tax liability, the IRS has given you an opportunity to sell your tax credits. Not only do you have the opportunity to get a tax credit, but if you can't use it, you can sell it. Secure Act 2.0, which was signed into law in December, as incentives for setting up retirement accounts, where they will pay for the setup of the retirement account. It will be a dollar for dollar credit. When you look at businesses, look at what are you trying to do, and align yourself to what you're trying to accomplish, then everything would be deductible. If you're saying: I want to do this, then what is it that I need to do to make this an ordinary necessary deduction so that I'm aligned with the law, and I'm not doing anything that's in the gray areas, but it's ordinary and necessary, so I can deduct it. For real estate professionals – what are the tax benefits for them? Is this the best profession for tax purposes? It is. There are nuances here and there, a lot of times, I've a lot of people that are active in business A: the husband has a business, he is a dentist for example, and the wife is a real estate professional. That gives us an opportunity. Real estate professionals are huge, especially after 2017 with the advent of bonus depreciation on used assets, now we are able to create this huge loss in real estate that can offset all the income in this business that the other spouse has. Being a real estate professional does open a lot of opportunities. You're investing in an asset class that has been in a storied past of growth and appreciation. It's also a great asset to invest in. It's kind of a double whammy in that regard. The Inflation Reduction Act was huge. Whether you're a business owner, whether you own real estate, whether you're buying an electric car, whatever it might be, talk to someone about it. A client is putting a solar installation on their commercial building, and they're getting about a 90% credit. You're putting a $10 million dollar solar array, and getting a $9 million credit, which you can also sell, and you might be able to sell it for 90 cents on the dollar. Tim Gertz www.provisionwealth.com [email protected] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
How to Reduce Taxes: W-2 Employees (Single and Married Scenarios)
14:24How can you reduce your taxes if you are a W-2 employee that is single, or a W-2 employee with a spouse that doesn't work? This is a topic we have been wanting to cover for a while and Tim Gertz, partner at Provision Wealth will share his insights. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/3T66wp7 Tax can be confusing and we all want to reduce our taxes. Let’s break it down into different scenarios, starting with W-2 employees that are high earners and are not married. Some would ask: what's the best tax planning advice for someone that single and a high W-2 earner, the joke is to get married! The tax laws incentivize you to: grow industry to create products, create revenue, create workforce, that can be taxed. Unfortunately, as a W-2 employee, you are in this little box where your opportunities are very minimal. There are still some opportunities such as: oil and gas investing. It can be very advantageous because it is outside of the material participation rules of the passive activity loss rules. You can invest in an oil and gas fund and have no involvement in it and be able to offset W-2 income. It's one of the few carve outs in code section 469 that gives us that opportunity. Another thing with the Inflation Reduction Act, it bumped up tax credits for energy efficiency. It reinstated the 30% tax credit on solar on residential properties. It increased the tax credits for vehicles, used vehicles, various energy efficient systems, whether it's HVAC, or things of that nature. Those are definitely things that you can look at to offset tax on W-2 taxable income. One of the other opportunities if you are an individual that does itemize deductions, an opportunity is called deduction stacking. Especially with charitable contributions. For example, instead of giving $10,000 every year, you give $20,000 this year, then nothing the next year, then $20,000 the following year, and you flip flop between itemized and standard deductions. What about W-2 employees with a spouse that does not work. What are their options? This scenario opens up a huge opportunity. If the spouse wants to be involved in activities, they can look at: What is it that they want to do? Do they want to open a business? Do they want to operate a business? Do they want to invest in real estate and become a real estate professional? One of the nice things about being married is that your income is combined, and your income and losses are combined. If you've an individual that's a W-2 high wage earner, and you have a spouse that is a real estate professional, and you invest in real estate that throws off half a million dollars of losses every year. Because they spouse is active in real estate, that loss is active. Now we have an active loss, and we have active income from W-2 that are married to each other, then they will offset each other. It doesn't have to be a real estate professional because that's where a lot of people are investing in. It can be any activity, it can be any business that someone materially participates in. It could be: coin laundry, things of that nature, things that are highly capital intensive, that have a lot of equipment on the upfront that can be depreciated. That can create a loss that will create an active loss. If they're active in it and materially participate in that activity, it will offset the W-2 income. A real estate professional has to: 1. Work 750 hours in real estate activities. 2. Do that more than any other income producing activity. Tim Gertz www.provisionwealth.com [email protected] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
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Why is Diversification Important? How to Find Great Operators?
13:09Why is diversification important in your investments? How to find and vet great operators and partners? Patrick Grimes, CEO of Invest on Mainstreet, shares his advice after being in the business for over a decade. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/3SBke2T Why is diversification important? What are the asset classes that you picked to diversify and why have you picked them? Multifamily is the core of our company, we have over a $500 million dollar portfolio now, and we have workforce housing currently in construction. If you look back over the data that suggests recession resilience and long term appreciating assets, you'll see that three bedroom two bathrooms are very strong. Then 80+ units is the next strongest asset class. All existing construction where you can buy for cash flow, income generating, and you're not hoping to build and hoping somebody will pay your premium price, that's the foundation of most of our investors' portfolios. But I have lost everything in real estate once. If you read my passive investor guide on my website, you'll see that it talks about diversifying, it talks about how the middle class has 7-8% of their portfolio in alternative assets. The high income earners are at 25%. Then the ultra wealthy is at 50%. If you want to invest like the high income earners, the ultra wealthy, you've to get out of those 401k's in the stock market, or IRAs in the stock market, or peel some of that off into a self directed variant which allows you to invest. Maybe your financial planner has you in the more stock markets or you're day trading. What is your process for deciding who you partner up with for these different asset classes? Having been somebody that lost at all, having lost at all doesn't mean you're not a good partner. In fact, I just spoke on a stage in Chicago in front of hundreds of people in economics. The question was How to do deals today, and would you do deals in today's economic environment? - everyone said yes for sure. But we were all talking towards how we saw the demand shift in 2009 and 2010. And how we saw the economic models breakdown and the financial systems. We were speaking from a lens of experience of being raked over the coals, and seeing how things fall apart. You're looking at people that made it out, and people that continue, but with better education and knowledge. I think that is part of what I look for in partners, is somebody that has been a little bit like me, and had some really rough times, but came out fighting, and now speaks from a level of understanding and made it through the failure, they didn't just go crawling back to whatever their job was, but fought their way out and now are moving forward. There are a lot of things to look at. But the general items are: are their investments recession resilient? Are they structured in a way like our real estate deal is, does it have six months of reserves so that if a financial disaster or natural disaster storm hits the property, you can ride it out? Are they fixed interest rates? Or are you at risk of losing all your cash flow, or maybe the building, which I know of several dozen now that are in threat of that this year. Patrick Grimes www.investonmainstreet.com Join me in Orlando on March 8th! www.bit.ly/3Yf9KYw --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
How to Raise $43M in a Year?
15:04How to raise $43M in a year? What kinds of non-recourse loans are available? Patrick Grimes, CEO of Invest on Mainstreet, shares his best practices on how he was able to raise millions last year, and how he overcame the hurdles along the way. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/3Id7ScJ What does the journey to raising $43 million really look like? I started back in 2006, I got some advice to get into real estate and I invested where I thought we're going to double and triple my money every couple of years but 2009, 2010 happened and I lost it all. It've personally guaranteed on pre development residential and raked me over the coals really bad, but a lot of people got hit pretty hard too. I think that one of the reasons why I'm successful today is because I failed early, failed young, fast and hard. It took me a few years to recover my credit, I worked my way up in the corporate world and did some really cool things. I did medical devices, solar cells, EV vehicles, and automation, robotics, one of a kind things. I got a master's in engineering and business, but I knew I needed to get back into real estate. I did it in much lower risk ways: in single family, both in recession resilient markets and assets that made measurable improvement to cash flow. Not inventing something from nothing, or a new development that's betting and hoping on pre-development returns. Reasonable return for a more moderate and recession resilient risk profile portfolio. That led me to a very successful path of grinding away in my career and moonlighting away in my real estate business. Ultimately, it was when my wife finally came around, and I realized that I was not dateable, and I needed to make some changes and focus on family. I make choices so that my future could grow so I stopped doing single family then traded into larger multi-family and apartment buildings, I partnered up, I started that to do large syndications around growth markets and diversify into other recession resilient, and non correlated assets like energy, where you can build safer portfolios. What are some of the best practices that other syndicators may actually benefit from? I came from high tech, when I started working I just kept my head down, underwriting, punching out numbers, and doing a lot of heavy lifting. In early 2020, I was advised, you're doing this the hard way, you've got a network of investors, colleagues that you've built a 15 year relationship with from high tech, but there's a lot of other investors out there and until you get your name out there and you tell your story, and you get out of your hermit hole and out from underneath your rock, nobody is going to know your story, you're not going to be as relatable, people aren't going to be drawn to what you're doing. I wrote a book, it's an Amazon best seller. I write for Forbes, I've written several articles on investing in commercial real estate. A lot of educational things about the trials and tribulations that I had. I started speaking on stages, I am speaking on MFIN on alternative investments, I've done economics and wealth building strategies. And people can relate to that. Patrick Grimes Invest on Mainstreet Join me at the Women's Real Estate Investment Summit on March 8th! www.azoracademy.com/women-s-real-estate-investment-summit-2023 --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
What is the State of Industrial? What to Do if Your Rates Are Rising this Year?
8:58What is the state of industrial investing today? Are the rising interest rates affecting some properties? What can you do to fix this problem? Chad Griffiths, Partner at NAI Commercial Real Estate, has been working in the space for over a decade and shares his insights. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/40SLu0O What is happening in the industrial world today? My overarching investment philosophy, and I try to share this with as many people as possible, because I think it's just the healthiest way to look at real estate, is investing very long term, I would almost like to think that I have an infinite money timeline. There are some properties that I don't ever want to sell, they might go to future generations. Anytime I buy a property, I must be as comfortable owning this property in 10 years, as I am today. That type of mentality smooths out these aberrations that we're going through. I think that this is going to be a painful aberration but I also think this is going to be temporary. I don't see interest rates being able to sustain this high going much past 2023. All the governments that are sitting on so much debt, all the corporations, all the households, by design, they're trying to curb inflation by pulling the interest rate lever, but it's making everything very expensive. And I do think that they'll pull that lever too hard and before we know it, we're going to have recessionary pressure and that comes with political implications. It's very hard to get reelected for a politician if they're in a deep recession. We'll start seeing all sorts of promises coming out this year, whether it's the other side saying, We're going to lower interest rates to stimulate the economy. And then the incumbents are going to say, We're going to do the same thing. I think we live largely in a political cycle more than an economic cycle because there are too many people pulling levers to try and get themselves elected. I don't think this is going to be long term in the grand scheme of most of our properties. What would you do if you had a mortgage coming up? I would probably raise money to pay that mortgage for the next couple of years, borrow from whoever you may need to borrow. Even credit cards potentially, there are several credit cards that you do not pay any interest for a year, I would potentially do that. If I believe that the rates are going to be going down. Another idea is start selling, or looking at partnerships. We have to do what we have to do. It’s also part of all the preparation that we all have been talking about over the last five years, that people have been thinking, The recession is around the corner. The people that have not prepared and bought at 4% cap rates with 20% down, that’s not on us because the wise investors have been warning people about this. It takes a 10% vacancy to destroy a deal in a recession. If people do not underwrite for that…they should have done their homework. A lot of people benefited over the last five years, and the ones that kept being super aggressive, you might need to take some money out of the benefit that you got over the last five years and put into these deals that might be suffering for the next couple of years, in my opinion. Chad Griffiths www.youtube.com/@industrialize Join our newsletter here: www.montecarlorei.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
How to Manage an Industrial Property? Key Things to Keep in Mind
22:45How to manage an industrial portfolio? How to compensate managers? What are the key things to keep in mind? Chad Griffiths, industrial investor and Partner at NAI Commercial Real Estate, shares his insights. Read this entire episode here: bit.ly/3JyE9gs How do you manage an industrial portfolio? I have a property that we bought two years ago, it's a $3 million building and there’s a single tenant in there, a fortune 1000 tenant that occupies the building of a manufacturing facility. A $3M multi-family building by comparison, has maybe 20 units and it’s much more management intensive. The industrial you have one tenant, the multi-family you have 20. The way our lease is structured is NNN: the tenant is responsible for paying all the operating costs on the property. Instead of them calling us for every little thing that goes wrong, they just fix it. In two years, I’ve been to that property a couple of times, my partner and I self-manage that one. We also have other properties with more tenants, and we have property managers in those ones. Even though it’s a lot easier to manage from a time, energy, focus standpoint, there are times when I think you do want to have a professional property manager. When should you get an onsite manager, and how often do they need to go there? The deciding factor for us is largely down to how complex the situation gets. Even though you’re not dealing with the same amount of tenants, things come up. The scale of having 10 tenants vs one tenant, where you have one point of contact, it’s very easy for us to follow up with a general manager, they take care of most of the things that go wrong. If there was something like an electrical issue, then we get involved and have a contractor come to address it. But it’s just much less time intensive to look after one tenant. The one where we have 10 tenants, there’s smaller tenants, they need a little bit more hand holding, because they might not know how everything works. There’s also a common area, so anytime you’re dealing with tenants having to interact, then you potentially have issues. The tenants pay base or net rent to the landlord, they also pay for the operating level expenses of the property. That’s usually property taxes, building insurance, common area maintenance, landscaping costs, etc, and that’s a budget. When a landlord gives a tenant their numbers in advance at the beginning of the year, the base rent is contractually agreed upon, that could be $10 a square foot for the whole term of the lease, there could be escalations, but that’s already known. Whereas the operating costs, all the landlord can do at the beginning of the year is an estimate. At the end of the year, they have to reconcile all those bills, this is how much we actually paid on all these things, add up how much they paid out of how much they collected, and they either need to give an invoice for any amount that is still owing, or they give a credit or refund back to the tenants. Because that operating cost is collected in advance, when the time comes to reconcile and you either have to send an invoice or send a credit, no tenant will ever complain about getting a check in the mail. But a tenant will not be happy if they get a $10,000 invoice at the end of the year because it was poorly projected at the beginning. Chad Griffiths www.youtube.com/@industrialize Join our newsletter here: www.montecarlorei.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
How to Find, Buy & Exit a Retail Property
25:12How to find a retail deal, negotiate, buy, develop all while dealing with all the curveballs that are thrown at you? Beth Azor, CEO of Azor Advisory Services, has been investing in retail for the last 36 years and shares one particular deal from beginning to end. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/3kFdS5R Let's talk about a deal of yours, how did you find it and what happened throughout the deal if you still own it? I'm going to talk about B&B Plaza. I was at a City Commission meeting and they outlawed strip clubs, immediately my brain went to a strip club on Main and Main. It was going to happen 24 months from then. The next morning, I look up the tax rules on the address of the strip club and I found out this 80-year-old couple, I called them and said, I'm calling you about your building where Eden's nightclub is located, last night at the town of Davies commission meeting, they outlawed strip clubs, so 24 months from now, there will not be a strip club there, would you like to sell me your building? They said, no, we don't believe you, we get $10,000 per month in cash from the strip club. I sent them the minutes of the meeting, we started having a dialogue and they were not jumping up and down to sell me the building. The two-year mark comes, the strip club closes, and exactly my prediction happens, four competitors of mine swoop in, they were very aggressive with these people because they didn't understand them, and didn't know them. I got a call from their son. They had been very ill, and that they're definitely going to sell and I'm coming to town to meet five of you. I said okay, can I be the last person? He said yes, my parents really liked you so you have the jump ball. The next day he calls and says if you pay 3.4 million, it's yours. I said done. He says, how fast can you close? I said 24 hours. The reason why I could afford to pay more is because I had great relationships in the market. I had called a friend of mine who had a property across the street and she had just done a renewal for 5,000 square feet with a national company at $50 a square foot. My two shopping centers down the street: one was at $30 and one was $40. The fact that she had $50 rent and it was behind our parcels, was very good market intel. I went through three project managers to build it. After we built it, everything was opened, Starbucks, Blaze Pizza, Select Comfort. A day before Verizon moved in, they told us that there is no RTU's in the building (air conditioner units). My air conditioning guy puts the air conditioning units on the roof, he doesn't pull a permit and he gets caught. I get a call from the city, with whom I have a phenomenal relationship saying you have an illegal vendor on your roof and he doesn't have insurance. I had to pay $27,000 in late fees to Verizon and I had penalties from the city because I tried to do it without a permit for speed purposes. It was a very expensive lesson. My NOI today is $660k, on average $66 a square foot, it's probably worth 12 to 14 million, we paid 3.4 million, the construction was probably another 4 million. Join the Women's Real Estate Investing Summit here: bit.ly/3JaGeiE Beth Azor Twitter Instagram --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
What is The State of House Flipping in This Economy?
18:10What is happening in the flipping world today? How do you prepare as a flipper when the rates are high? How to buy deals with future expectations being low? Elisa Covington, founder and CEO of Transform Real Estate Investments shares her insights. Read this entire interview here: bit.ly/3iq0BgU What is happening in the flipping world today? It's interesting that people perceive what's happening in the housing market and the interest rate, that the market is tanking and nobody is buying homes anymore which I find not accurate based on my own experience. I've sold about nine homes this year, three homes at the beginning of the year when the market was really good and then the other six homes after the interest rate started increasing and the market declined. My experience hasn't been that terrible. The houses I flipped actually were able to sell on the market within a week or two. And, in most cases, the sale prices were at my expectation or even above my expectation. I have one home that's been sitting on the market for maybe two months now. Most of my experience has been positive which is contrary to popular belief. There are still a lot of buyers out there and I think the Bay Area market may be a little unique, too, because there's just not a lot of inventory, and even though the interest rates are high, buyers are taking a step back because of the limited inventory, but the supply and demand haven’t really shifted that much. Most agents that I work with, the top real estate agents in the Bay Area market, are still categorizing it as a sellers market. How are you able to buy deals with future expectations being low when it has been very competitive up until now? In this market, selling is harder because buyers are taking a step back because of the higher interest rate and the fear of a recession. Because buyers are taking a step back, it's actually really easy to get a good deal because there's not as much competition as before, especially with my target acquisitions, which are homes that are fixer-uppers that are in very poor condition. In a normal market, some buyers may say, we can afford a remodeled home so we're going to buy a home that's in a poor condition for a little less. And the difference in prices between a remodeled home and a fixer-upper is not as significant in a hot market because there's not much inventory and there's a lot of competition. But when the market is as slow as it is now, buyers are focused on remodeled homes, nicer homes, the fixer-uppers get overlooked, they tend to sit on the market and sell for a much lower price than the homes that have been remodeled. The difference in prices between those two types of homes actually has become more significant. In this market, it is easier to find good deals. That's the beauty of house flipping, we're on both sides of the market. We need to purchase a home to flip it, and then after the flip is done, we have to sell the home so we are both the buyer and the seller. When the market changes, if the market is hot, it's going to make it super easy to sell, you're going to sell for more than you are expecting and you will do fine but when the market is declining. Elisa Covington instagram.com/transformrealestate www.youtube.com/@TransformRealEstate Subscribe to our newsletter here: www.montecarlorei.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
Setting Goals for the New Year, How to Organize Your Day and When to Hire a Full Time VA
20:54Today we'll go over some tips for setting your real estate goals for the year, how to look at them on a daily, weekly, monthly and on a yearly basis, how to organize your day, and when is the optimal time to hire a full time VA. Bronson Hill, principal at Bronson Equity has been in the real estate investment world for the last four years, he has raised over $30M and shares his insights. You can read this entire episode here: bit.ly/3VTpvTL Last year you raised an incredible amount of money, what do you think was the biggest step you took in the last four years to get yourself to where you are right now? I think the biggest thing that happened was I made the decision that I was going to leave my job within a few years, I was going to figure out a way to do it. By doing that, your subconscious tries to figure it out, you go to events, meet the people, make connections. And in the process, I started a meet up in Southern California, and found my first investor there. I'd had so many calls with friends and family to raise money for real estate deals, and zero invested, it was so frustrating stuff, but this guy who I'd never met before, who simply saw me at the front of the room, he didn't see me as an expert, but as a leader in the space. The amazing thing is when you're trying to get started, it's so important that you try to find a way to add value. You're doing it by this podcast, other people are doing it by going to events and trying to find a way to help people on their journey. We create a lot of content now, emails, videos, we have our YouTube channel and all types of stuff to create value for people. You have a specific amount of days that you're completely disconnecting for the year. Can you tell me a little bit about that? And how do you do it? That's new for me. I'm always working and doing things, even on a day off. I'm a part of a coaching group now and they're saying that it's really good to have a certain number of free days, and that is defined as you don't answer an email, you don't pick up the phone. When somebody calls for business, you're out of the office. And it's so hard to do. But if you're an entrepreneur, you can hopefully have team members that can help, you train your people, you work with your partners, your investors, etc. I don't pick up the phone on the weekends unless it's an emergency. My goal this year is 115 free days where I don't do any work on those days. A lot of times when people decide to take a week, or a month off, and they just really let the team take care of the business, more often than not, the company actually does way better than when they were there watching over everybody. Is there anything else that is important to share regarding goal setting? You have to have written goals, when you write it down, you're actually creating something. And something doesn't exist unless you create it, you either speak it, you write it down. And put that up somewhere, I have my goals typed up with my mission statement, I laminated on the backside and there are pictures of what those goals look like. And I read those every morning. Keeping that in front of you is really important. I encourage anybody who's listening who wants to change their life, start creating the goals and keeping them in front of you all the time. Yeah,Bronson Hill www.bronsonequity.com VA finder: www.virtualstafffinder.com zero tax summit, get notified by joining our newsletter here: www.montecarlorei.com --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support
What's Happening With Hotels in This Economy? Which Markets Are Thriving? What Type of Hotel Should You Invest In?
16:50What’s going on with hotels in this economy? Which markets are they thriving now? What are the benefits of investing and operating hotels? What are some types of hotels that may be great investments today? Julie Surago, Vice President at Olive Tree Holdings shares her insights. You can read this entire interview here: bit.ly/3G2PLVO What is going on with hotels today? Through COVID, you would expect that hotels got hit the most because of the stoppage and most travel both business leisure and international group, and yet hotels were able to weather the storm based because of the PPP loans that were given out by the government. And each hotel employs a fairly large number of people anywhere from Best Western which has 20 employees up to 1000, and Marriott which might have 200 employees and they took advantage of that. So, there wasn’t a lot of distress in the market that we really expected to see. In fact, my firm was going to try to find some opportunities in the hospitality and real estate investment market, but it never really transpired. What are some of the benefits of investing and operating hotels? It's very hands-on and you have people moving in and out on a daily basis, but are the returns better? The biggest challenge with hotels today is staffing. Every industry is having trouble with staffing, especially the hospitality industry, hotels, and restaurants because there are a lot of turnovers and there are not as many international H-1B1 visas. However, the biggest benefit of a hotel versus any other type of real estate class is in times of inflation, when the value of the dollar is going up, hotels can react quickly. They set their rates every single day so you'll notice when you look at, not just hotels, but airlines, the prices are going up pretty significantly along with everything else. Whereas, if you have a multifamily lease or an office lease, retail, or industrial, some of those either get reset once a year or get reset every five years which is a lot harder to react to inflation. If you were to purchase a hotel today, what are some of the major things you would be looking for? I look for upside. If you're looking at a hotel, maybe it has a brand that is strong, but there should be an opportunity to "upmarket" something. What has been attractive for hotel investors is the ability to assume a loan at a fixed interest rate. There are a lot of hotels, particularly midscale hotels with limited service, that are on long-term CMBS loans and maybe they have a fixed interest rate of 4.5% which is extremely attractive right now. Another thing that has been attractive for people and also for some sellers is the big firms that have the ability to do so are offering seller financing at terms lower than what you can find in the market. I'm seeing hotels that were not attractive buys five years ago, but sellers are able to sell them now because they can offer that financing at cheaper returns, which really improves the upside, at least in comparison to what you can find. What kind of hotel size would you look for? I'm really into limited-service hotels. The resorts and full service are very attractive and fun to own but limited service usually is easier to operate. Fewer employees and a lot cheaper to buy. Another thing that is always been attractive to me is to buy nicer economy hotels. I think those weather the storm really well as far as any kind of economic disruption, whether that be building like Qantas or Wyndham micro hotels, Julie Surago [email protected] --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/best-commercial-retail-real-estate-investing-advice-ever/support