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A Love Letter to the Vietnameseness (Episode #117)

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Welcome to a new episode of The Way Out Is In: The Zen Art of Living, a podcast series mirroring Zen Master Thich Nhat Hanh’s deep teachings of Buddhist philosophy: a simple yet profound methodology for dealing with our suffering, and for creating more happiness and joy in our lives.

This special episode features a deep conversation about Vietnamese identity in the diaspora, led by Zen Buddhist monk Brother Phap Huu, scholar Nho Tran, and acclaimed novelist Ocean Vuong.

The discussion explores Vietnameseness, the complexities of being Vietnamese in the West, and the challenges of maintaining cultural identity while adapting to new environments. The three speakers reflect on their personal journeys; the role of Buddhism in shaping their understanding of identity; the need to reject binary thinking and embrace the multifaceted nature of Vietnamese identity; the practice of joy; communal healing; the significance of filial piety; the role of language and tradition in preserving cultural heritage; honoring one’s roots while allowing for personal growth; and more.

With an intro by Jo Confino and a short meditation guided by Brother Phap Huu.

Co-produced by the Plum Village App:
https://plumvillage.app/

And Global Optimism:
https://globaloptimism.com/

With support from the Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation:
https://thichnhathanhfoundation.org/

List of resources

Ocean Vuong
https://www.oceanvuong.com/

Interbeing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbeing

The Plum Village Tradition
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plum_Village_Tradition

The Way Out Is In: ‘Cultivating Joy and Togetherness in the Midst of Hardship (Episode #95)’ https://plumvillage.org/podcast/cultivating-joy-and-togetherness-in-the-midst-of-hardship-episode-95

The Way Out Is In: ‘Roots and Renewal (Episode #91)’
https://plumvillage.org/podcast/roots-and-renewal-episode-91

The Way Out Is In: ‘Spiritual Friendship (Episode #90)’
https://plumvillage.org/podcast/spiritual-friendships-episode-90

Maya Angelou
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Angelou

Hoa Nguyen
https://www.hoa-nguyen.com/

Édouard Glissant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89douard_Glissant

Sarah Ahmed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sara_Ahmed

Paris by Night
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_by_Night

The white gaze
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_gaze

Chinua Achebe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinua_Achebe

Paul Celan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Celan

Hayao Miyazaki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayao_Miyazaki

Nina Simone
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Simone

On Earth We’re Briefly Gorgeous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Earth_We%27re_Briefly_Gorgeous

Quotes

“The first Dharma seal of our practice is, ‘I have arrived, I am home.’ And ‘arrive’, here, means to be with yourself and not feel disconnected from who you are.”

“How lucky we are that Thay offered us a practice where there isn’t a demand for perfection, but a demand for presence and a demand for love in all of its manifestations. That is a thing that begins to heal.”

“Part of what Buddhism has taught me is to be able to be brave and ferocious enough. I think people don’t understand the ferocity Buddhist practice demands of you. That’s why I love the idea of the wrathful deities – because Buddhism has been commodified in the West as self-help, corporate self-help especially: ‘Go calm down so you can answer more emails efficiently for the corporation.’”

“The things that I lean on most, every day, are Buddhist ideas of committing oneself fully with courage. Courage is very different from fearlessness, because fearlessness means there is no fear – but there’s a lot of fear in me. I don’t know about y’all, but, living in this world, there’s a lot of fear. But courage is doing something despite fear. Buddhism has given me that set of tools. And Thay’s being, Thay’s embodiment to walk out of turmoil and sitting calmly within oneself, is a tremendous power. That’s what a lot of Westerners don’t understand when they see someone like Thay. They’re like, ‘Wow, what a peaceful monk.’ Sure. But what I see is, ‘Wow, this is an impenetrable force of survival’ – and it feels so strong to me.”

“Buddhism is a way of being. It’s a way of being liberated in the present moment to give honor to all of the conditions that have come together to give you this moment.”

“Fear becomes knowledge and knowledge becomes progress.”

“Joy is an act of resistance.”

“Our practice is a practice of joy. Yes, we take suffering seriously, but joy is the name of the game.”

“Something I want to say to young Asian-American artists is that just because a white audience is bored of your pain, you don’t need to start tap dancing for that audience. You get to engage with your history robustly. And it’s up to you to navigate that on your terms and not fall into being swayed by audience fatigue. Because trends come and go. Some people will find diasporic violence interesting; some people will find it overdone. But you’re not beholden to them – you’re beholden to how you want to tell your story, as thoroughly as you want.”

“Sometimes we perpetuate the white gaze among each other. That’s a well-documented colonial artifact: once the empire retreats, its tools – material, psychological, and structural – are picked up and implemented, often right away, to abuse one another.”

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