‘The Last of Us’ E4 and the Last of ‘The Righteous Gemstones’

Chris and Andy talk about some TV and movie news that came out over the weekend, including a potential new tariff being levied on movies made internationally (1:00). Then they break down the latest episode of ‘The Last of Us’ and how the show has found its engine after Joel’s death (10:37). Finally, they discuss the series finale of ‘The Righteous Gemstones’ (41:07) and Conan O’Brien's Kennedy Center Mark Twain Prize ceremony, which was just uploaded to Netflix (50:30). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about an interview HBO head Casey Bloys gave on the Town podcast and what it revealed about the streamer's strategy in 2025 (6:55). Then they talk about the latest episode of ‘Everybody’s Live’ and how the show has started to improve after leaning into more traditional late-night practices (21:32), before they break down Episodes 4-6 of ‘Andor’ Season 2, which has leaned fully into the spy genre (27:34). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about the latest episode of ‘The Last of Us’ and how the show is picking up the pieces after a major character death (1:00). Then they talk about the latest episode of ‘The Studio’ and this episode’s similarities to ‘Curb Your Enthusiasm’ (45:05), as well as the last few episodes of ‘Your Friends & Neighbors’ (50:15). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Marcelino Ortiz Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about some TV news that cropped up during the week, including Bill Hader making a Jonestown series for HBO (3:28) and the just-released trailer for Jesse Armstrong’s new TV movie, ‘Mountainhead’ (12:36). Then Chris talks about the show ‘Sandbaggers,’ which he discovered while researching ‘Andor’ (28:18), before they discuss ‘The Narrow Road to the Deep North,’ an under-the-radar show starring Jacob Elordi that was just released on Prime Video (39:14). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production: Marcelino Ortiz Video Editing: Stefano Sanchez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about the first three episodes of ‘Andor’ Season 2 and how the show’s world has gotten even more detailed in its second season (1:00). Then they are joined by creator Tony Gilroy to talk about whether or not the audience response to the first season affected how he wrote the second (21:21), the benefits of having a creative community while making the show (37:04), and bringing more conference rooms to the 'Star Wars' universe (51:41). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Guest: Tony Gilroy Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about last night’s momentous episode of ‘The Last of Us.’ They discuss Mark Mylod becoming the go-to director for huge episodes of TV (02:14) and where the series will go from here (36:45). Then they break down the latest episode of ‘Your Friends & Neighbors’ and talk about how the show’s closest comparison is increasingly becoming ‘Billions’ (48:26). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production: Marcelino Ortiz Video Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about the trailers that were released this week for ‘Fantastic Four,’ ‘Thunderbolts,’ and ‘28 Years Later’ (1:00). Then they talk about whether or not ‘Black Mirror’ is too dark for this current moment (26:15), before running through some of the other shows they're currently watching, like ‘Dope Thief’ (37:41), ‘Hacks’ (51:52), ‘The Studio’ (1:01:25), and ‘Everybody’s Live’ (1:08:58). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about some lessons that TV executives could take away from the success of ‘The Pitt’ and why the show took off in such an organic way (8:50). Then they discuss some recent movie trailers that were released for ‘Mission Impossible—The Final Reckoning’ and ‘The Phoenician Scheme’ (27:51). Finally, they talk about the Season 2 premiere of ‘The Last of Us’ and the secret that a lot of this season seems to hinge on (32:12). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy talk about the first episode of the new Jon Hamm show, ‘Your Friends & Neighbors’ (12:48). Then they break down the season finale of ‘The Pitt’ and how this show hit the sweet spot between network and prestige TV (27:38) before they are joined by ‘Pitt’ star and executive producer Noah Wyle to talk about the making of Season 1 and honoring the medical community with the show (46:16). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Guest: Noah Wyle Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Andy break down the finale of ‘The White Lotus’ Season 3 and reflect on how they felt about this season as a whole. They debate whether this finale episode had more style or substance (1:00), the Buddhist themes that were heavily present throughout this episode (14:27), and where this season stacked up against the first two (45:56). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald Senior Producer: Kaya McMullen Video Production and Editing: Jon Jones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices