Leading for Wellness with Katina Sawyer and Patricia Grabarek

What if everything you believe about workplace wellness is only part of the story? In this episode, Kevin welcomes Dr. Katina Sawyer and Dr. Patricia Grabarek to discuss the real drivers of well-being at work and the critical role leaders play in shaping thriving environments. Drawing on their research, Katina and Patricia challenge the overreliance on surface-level wellness programs and demonstrate how authentic leadership, trust, and team connection have far greater impact. They introduce the concept of "generators", leaders who energize and empower their teams and contrast them with "extinguishers," who unintentionally drain motivation and wellness. Patricia and Katina also explore ideas like authenticity within professional boundaries, person-centered leadership, and the practical importance of being a "boundary bouncer." Listen For 0:00 The importance of wellness at work 0:33 Welcome and introduction by Kevin Eikenberry 1:29 About Kevin's book Flexible Leadership 2:18 Introducing guests Dr. Patricia Grabarek and Dr. Katina Sawyer 4:19 How their friendship led to writing Leading for Wellness 6:01 The research behind workplace wellness 7:05 The big idea Why leaders drive wellness 8:10 Defining workplace wellness 9:26 Work life balance myths and realities 10:18 Common misconceptions about wellness at work 11:37 Why wellness and productivity go hand in hand 13:30 The bolt on problem with wellness programs 14:01 What is a Generator leader 15:19 Authenticity and trust in leadership 17:14 What authenticity really means at work 18:40 Avoiding the stoic leader trap 20:26 Sharing your human side builds trust 21:01 Leaders as Boundary Bouncers 22:26 Protecting boundaries and modeling balance 24:15 Real life examples of healthy boundaries 25:01 Person centered leadership and Carl Rogers' influence 26:36 Knowing your people as individuals 28:17 Why understanding your team makes leadership easier 29:28 Building team culture where everyone thrives 30:23 What Katina and Patricia do for fun 32:37 What they're reading 34:04 Learn more about Worker Being and Leading for Wellness 35:19 Kevin's closing challenge Now what 35:54 Farewell and next episode reminder Their Story: Dr. Patricia Grabarek, PhD and Dr.Katina Sawyer, PhD, are the authors of Leading for Wellness: How to Create a Team Culture Where Everyone Thrives. They are the co-founders of Workr Beeing. Patricia is a seasoned Industrial/Organizational Psychologist specializing in workplace wellness, organizational culture, employee engagement, diversity and inclusion, and leadership development. With a background in both consulting and internal roles, Dr. Grabarek has led people analytics and talent management initiatives for more than 60 organizations across various industries. Her work focuses on research-based strategies to improve well-being, retention, performance, and diversity efforts. Named one of Culture Amp's Top 25 Emerging Culture Creators for 2024, Dr. Grabarek's insights have appeared in The Los Angeles Times, CBS News, and CBC Radio. She holds a PhD and MS in Industrial/Organizational Psychology from Penn State and a BA in Psychology from UCLA. Katina is an Industrial/Organizational psychologist and an Associate Professor of Management and Organizations at the University of Arizona's Eller College of Management. A leading expert in work-life balance, leadership, positive workplace behaviors, and diversity, she has published more than 50 peer-reviewed studies, book chapters, and articles in outlets like Harvard Business Review. Dr. Sawyer's work has been featured in major media such as The Washington Post, Bloomberg Businessweek, The Atlantic, and Forbes. Receiving grants from the National Science Foundation and the Society for Human Resource Management, her groundbreaking research has established her as a thought leader in positive workplace behaviors. Among Philadelphia Business Journal's "Top 40 Under 40" in 2017, Dr. Sawyer also consults with organizations, offering data-driven solutions to create healthier, more productive workplaces. She holds a BA in Psychology from Villanova University and a dual PhD and MS in Industrial/Organizational Psychology and Women's Studies from Penn State. https://workrbeeing.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/katina-sawyer-ph-d/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/patriciagrabarek/ https://www.instagram.com/workrbeeing/ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQGtAaCiNV2qR4HxgBvAkrg This Episode is brought to you by... Flexible Leadership is every leader's guide to greater success in a world of increasing complexity and chaos.  Book Recommendations Leading for Wellness: How to Create a Team Culture Where Everyone Thrives by Patricia Grabarek and Katina Sawyer Outraged: Why We Fight About Morality and Politics and How to Find Common Ground by Kurt Gray Like a Wave We Break: A Memoir of Falling Apart and Finding Myself by Jane Marie Chen Like this? Solving the Culture Puzzle with Mario Moussa and Derek Newberry How Leaders Can Create a Company Culture That Doesn't Suck with S. Chris Edmonds and Mark Babbitt Creating a Work Culture Everyone Wants with Jennifer Moss Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group  

What's the most important thing you need to achieve your goals? It isn't the target—it's your why. In this episode, I share a story about The Biggest Loser (yes, the reality show!) and how I could often predict who would win before the competition even began. The secret? It all came down to their reasons—their why. Whether your goals are personal or professional, the same truth applies: the clearer and stronger your why, the greater your chance of success. If you've ever felt stuck, unmotivated, or unsure how to reach your goals, this episode will help you reconnect with your purpose and reignite your drive. 🎯 You'll learn: Why focusing on your why fuels achievement How emotion and purpose make goals stick A mindset shift that transforms how you pursue success If you want to help your team achieve more, explore our curated learning programs—short, practical lessons designed to help leaders and teams grow together. 👉 Learn more: https://kevineikenberry.com/curated My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERs: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media:  https://kevineikenberry.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry https://twitter.com/KevinEikenberry https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/ About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.  

Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes  What if, instead of giving your team answers, you asked the right questions and listened? In this episode, Kevin sits down with Luciana Núñez to discuss how coaching can be more than just a skill; it can be a leadership philosophy that transforms individuals, teams, and entire organizations. Luciana shares why the command-and-control leadership model no longer works in today's world, and how leading with coaching creates alignment, trust, and engagement. They dive into key concepts from her book, including the "performance equation" (P = C × A²), the power of visualization, and the importance of overcoming biases as a leader. Luciana offers practical insights on how leaders can develop active listening skills, ask powerful questions, and foster greater accountability and resilience in their teams. Listen For 00:00 Introduction: Leading with coaching 01:58 Guest introduction Luciana Nunez 03:05 Luciana's journey from Argentina to executive coaching 05:16 Discovering the power of coaching 05:33 Why Luciana and Tom Preston wrote Coaching Power 07:10 The writing and collaboration process 08:20 Case studies and structure of the book 09:18 Leading with coaching vs being a coach 10:19 Why command and control leadership no longer works 11:24 Listening and asking powerful questions 13:33 The mindset shift from manager to leader 15:09 Checking your biases as a leader 17:06 Staying curious and self aware while coaching 19:11 Helping others visualize success 21:22 Neuroscience and practice of visualization 24:03 The performance equation P = C × A² 26:39 Why attitude is limitless 27:34 Coaching remotely or at a distance 29:30 Creating safety and context in virtual coaching 31:35 Getting to know Luciana personally 33:05 What Luciana is reading The Boiling Frog 35:20 Where to find Luciana and her work 37:38 Wrap up and outro Luciana's Story: Luciana Núñez, co-author of Coaching Power: Lead with Coaching to Create Individual, Team, and Organizational Outperformance, with Tom Preston. She is a partner and Head of Americas at The Preston Associates, one of the world's premier executive coaching firms. An accomplished executive coach and former CEO with more than 20 years of leadership experience at Fortune 500 companies, including Bayer, Danone, and Roche, she blends her strategic expertise with a passion for mentoring, serving as a board member, investor, and advisor to entrepreneurs and executives worldwide. Having lived and worked in multiple continents, Luciana thrives in diverse cross-cultural contexts. She is a Sommelière, an art lover and annual competitor in Spartan obstacle course endurance races. This Episode is brought to you by... Flexible Leadership is every leader's guide to greater success in a world of increasing complexity and chaos.  Book Recommendations Coaching Power: Leading With Coaching to Create Individual, Team, and Organizational Outperformance by Tom Preston and Luciana Nunez  THE BOILING FROG: 21 STRATEGIES TO TRANSFORM STRESS INTO STRENGTH & COMFORT by Ash Kumar MD Like this? The Coaching Effect with Bill Eckstrom How to Deliver Bad News - and Get Away With it! with Mahesh Guruswamy Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group  

Over the years, I've learned that feedback conversations often fail before they even begin — and I've made my fair share of mistakes too. But in this episode, I'm sharing what I believe is the biggest secret to giving feedback that actually works. Whether you're a leader, a coach, or just want to help someone grow — the key is not in what you say first, but in what you ask. In this video, I'll walk you through: - The powerful shift that makes feedback more effective - A few simple, open-ended questions I use to start these conversations - How to respond when someone says too little, too much, or just what you hoped they would - And the two final questions I always ask to create lasting improvement If you want your feedback to be received, accepted, and applied — start here. 👉 Want to help everyone in your organization give better feedback? Check out our curated learning resources: https://kevineikenberry.com/curated My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERs: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media:  https://kevineikenberry.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry https://twitter.com/KevinEikenberry https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/ About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.  

How do you uncover what you can't see, especially when it's holding you back as a leader? Kevin talks with clinical psychologist and executive coach Marty Dubin about one of the most critical yet often overlooked leadership capabilities: self-awareness. Marty shares his comprehensive six-part model for self-awareness, providing leaders with a practical framework for deeper self-understanding. Kevin and Marty also discuss how our greatest strengths can become liabilities when overused, how blind spots can derail otherwise successful leaders, and how small, intentional changes in behavior can make an impact. Listen For 00:00 What are blind spots and why they matter 01:56 Introducing Marty Dubin and his background 03:57 How Blindspotting began 05:03 Why self-awareness is harder than we think 06:00 When strengths become blind spots 06:44 The Blindspotting self-awareness model 07:32 The six areas of self-awareness 08:56 Understanding motives 09:11 Identity and leadership 10:22 How identity forms and evolves 11:06 Role changes and identity shifts 12:37 Letting go of past identities 13:05 Imposter syndrome and transitions 15:08 Common blind spots around intellect 16:00 The four types of intelligence 18:04 Balancing intellect and decision-making 20:04 Self-awareness as the foundation of growth 20:52 Overusing strengths and their consequences 22:13 How to recognize when strengths stop working 23:21 Adapting strengths to situations 25:03 How to uncover and address blind spots 26:51 Coaching, awareness, and small tweaks 27:24 Practicing new behaviors Marty's Story: Martin Dubin is the author of Blindspotting: How to See What's Holding You Back As a Leader. He is a clinical psychologist, serial entrepreneur, business coach, and adviser to C-suite executives and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. He has founded several companies, including a multimillion-dollar health-care company where he also served as CEO. With a doctorate in clinical psychology from the University of Denver, Dubin began his career in private practice as a psychotherapist for over a decade before moving to the business world as a founder and entrepreneur. Then, he launched the third act of his career, bringing his psychological training and business experience to the coaching space. His experience as an entrepreneur garnered consultation contracts with portfolio companies from Andreessen Horowitz and Sequoia venture capital firms. He lives in Colorado and New Mexico where he enjoys skiing and hiking in the mountains and the desert and continues his work with clients both individually and in corporate settings. https://www.martindubin.com/ https://www.blindspotting.com/ This Episode is brought to you by... Flexible Leadership is every leader's guide to greater success in a world of increasing complexity and chaos.  Book Recommendations Blindspotting: How To See What's Holding You Back as a Leader by Martin Dubin Mark Twain by Ron Chernow Like this? Reinventing Yourself as a Leader with John Hillen How to Find Your True Self in a Noisy World with Joshua Berry Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group  

Resistance to change isn't your enemy — it's energy. In this episode of Remarkable TV, I share why resistance is actually a good sign that people care, and how leaders can use that energy to create positive momentum. We'll cover: Why resistance is natural — even in changes we choose ourselves What most leaders get wrong when facing pushback How to acknowledge and value resistance (without giving in to it) How to turn resistance into engagement and better results When people resist a change, it means they care. Learn to see resistance as an opportunity, not an obstacle. 👉 Get Curated Learning Resources for your organization: https://kevineikenberry.com/curated-learning-resources  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERs: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media:  https://kevineikenberry.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry https://twitter.com/KevinEikenberry https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/ About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more. Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP    

Is love in the workplace a strategy? In this episode, Kevin is joined by leadership expert and business strategist Kelly Winegarden Hall to discuss what "love at work" really means. Kelly challenges traditional workplace norms and makes a compelling case for reintroducing love as a leadership value. She explains why seeing employees as adults and treating them with compassion and trust leads to greater engagement, innovation, and performance. She also provides examples of how to bring purpose, honesty, and human connection into workplaces. Listen For 00:00 Welcome to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast 02:20 Guest introduction Kelly Winegarden Hall 03:03 Kelly's journey and background 06:06 Cancer diagnosis and becoming a storyteller 08:01 Why love in the workplace 09:43 Pushback against love at work 11:07 The business case for love 12:01 Hiring differently with love 13:43 Examples of bringing love to work 16:02 The importance of putting phones down 17:58 Kelly's blog project 100 examples of love at work 18:59 Love leadership and culture 20:31 We're all adults at work 23:02 The pinnacle of power concept 25:18 Advice Start by pausing 27:10 Kelly's fun entertaining and fundraising 28:07 What Kelly is reading 29:10 How to connect with Kelly 30:12 Kevin's closing challenge Bringing love to your work 31:29 Closing remarks Kelly's Story: Kelly Winegarden Hall is the author of Love Works: Transforming the Workplace with Purpose and Authenticity. She is a leadership expert and business strategist who helps individuals and organizations move from surviving to thriving. As the founder of Live L.A.R.G.E., she has 30 years of experience leading diverse teams and transforming struggling businesses into high-performing, self-directing organizations. This Episode is brought to you by... Flexible Leadership is every leader's guide to greater success in a world of increasing complexity and chaos.  Book Recommendations Love Works: Transforming the Workplace with Purpose and Authenticity by Kelly Winegarden Hall Careless People: A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism by Sarah Wynn-Williams Like this? Leading with Authenticity with Sabrina Horn Fearless Authenticity with Jeanne Sparrow Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP  

Do you ever find yourself thinking about something you want to start—but not actually starting? You're not alone. In this episode of Remarkable TV, I'm sharing five practical ways to move from thinking to doing. Whether it's a new project, a goal, or a dream that's been sitting on your list too long, these steps will help you light the fuse and take that first step forward. If you want to get more done, you have to start—and shorten the time between idea and action. 🌟 Want more regular inspiration? Sign up for Your Remarkable Day, my free newsletter with leadership ideas, insights, and encouragement every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters  My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERs: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media:  https://kevineikenberry.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry https://twitter.com/KevinEikenberry https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/ About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group   Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP  

Have you ever felt like leading change is more confusing than it should be? In this episode, Kevin welcomes Jeff DeGraff to discuss the complex art of change. Jeff shares why traditional change efforts often stall and how paradoxes can serve as a source of innovation and energy. Together, Kevin and Jeff discuss ideas such as launching change from the edges of an organization, the distinction between science and art in managing transformation, and why experiences, rather than facts, are what truly shift people's perspectives. They also discuss the "paradoxical mindset challenge" and offer practical tools for navigating change more effectively. Listen For 00:00 Introduction: The Art of Change 00:56 Welcome to the Remarkable Leadership Podcast 02:10 Introducing Dr. Jeff DeGraff 03:18 Jeff's Journey from Pizza to Paradoxes 04:53 Why This Book? The Frustration Behind It 06:14 Leading Change from the Edges, Not the Center 08:09 Art vs Science in Change 10:39 The Power of Paradox in Driving Change 13:15 Facilitating Change Through Constructive Conflict 16:25 The Paradoxical Mindset Challenge 20:32 Exploring a Favorite Paradox: Facts Don't Change Minds 24:42 Failure as a Prerequisite to Learning 26:34 Leadership Lessons from the Pandemic 29:35 You Can't Change Others Until You Change Yourself 30:49 What Jeff Does for Fun 32:32 What Jeff is Reading 33:17 Where to Connect with Jeff DeGraff 34:05 Final Thoughts and Call to Action Jeff's Story: Jeff DeGraff is a clinical professor at the University of Michigan's Ross School of Business and the co-author with Staney DeGraff of The Art of Change: Transforming Paradoxes into Breakthroughs. He founded Innovatrium, an innovation consulting firm that focuses on creating an innovation culture, capability, and community. The firm offers three types of coaching services: Executive Coaching, Innovation Project Coaching, and Personal Development Coaching. Known as the "Dean of Innovation," he has spent four decades helping organizations—from Fortune 500 companies to the U.S. military—lead change from the edges, not the center This Episode is brought to you by... Flexible Leadership is every leader's guide to greater success in a world of increasing complexity and chaos. Book Recommendations The Art of Change: Transforming Paradoxes into Breakthroughs by Jeff DeGraff Staney DeGraff Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson The Seven Wonders of the Ancient World: An Extraordinary New Journey Through History's Greatest Treasures by Bettany Hughes A Shot to Save the World: The Inside Story of the Life-or-Death Race for a COVID-19 Vaccine by Gregory Zuckerman Like this? Leading Change Intelligently with Barbara Trautlein Flux: How to Thrive in Times of Change with April Rinne Becoming a Change Maker with Alex Budak Creating Meaningful Change with Mike Morrison Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP  

DISC assessments are powerful tools for understanding human behavior—but only when they're used correctly. Too often, I see people misuse DISC by labeling others, stereotyping roles, or treating it as a final verdict instead of a helpful indicator. In this episode of Remarkable TV, I'll share: ✅ Why DISC is a model of behavior, not a definition of people ✅ How DISC shows natural tendencies—not skills or limitations ✅ The danger of labeling people by "just a few letters" ✅ How you can use DISC assessments responsibly and effectively I believe in the power of DISC—my team and I even offer our own DISC assessment tools. But like any tool, they can do more harm than good if they're misapplied. 👉 You can try a free or paid DISC assessment here: https://kevineikenberry.com/disc My name is Kevin Eikenberry and I'm here to help you reach your goal as a leader and a human being with Remarkable TV and the Remarkable Leadership Podcast. I am also the Chief Potential Officer of The Kevin Eikenberry Group. We provide speaking, training, consulting, and coaching services to organizations who believe in investing in their most valuable assets – their people. Whether we are leading a training workshop, speaking to a group, facilitating a planning meeting, consulting with a leadership team, helping with team building, writing or developing products, our vision will be clear in everything we do – We want to be Your Leadership Help Button. Learn more about our offerings: ➡️ FREE NEWSLETTERs: Sign up for any of our newsletters: https://kevineikenberry.com/newsletters ➡️ BOOK: Check out my latest book, Flexible Leadership: https://kevineikenberry.com/flexible  ➡️ LEADERSHIP WORKSHOPS: Sign up for any of our online workshops to help you become a better leader: https://kevineikenberry.com/store/?product_type=Workshops ➡️ SPEAKING: Learn more about our Speaking opportunities for your next event: https://kevineikenberry.com/how-we-can-help-speaking/  Connect with Kevin Eikenberry on Social Media:  https://kevineikenberry.com https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevineikenberry https://twitter.com/KevinEikenberry https://instagram.com/kevineikenberry https://www.facebook.com/KevinEikenberryFanPage/ About Kevin Eikenberry: Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group, a world expert on leadership development, best-selling author, sought-after speaker, popular blogger, husband and dad, a fan of Purdue athletics and antique tractors (especially John Deere's). About The Remarkable Leadership Podcast: The Remarkable Leadership Podcast with Kevin Eikenberry is dedicated to all things leadership. Twice a week Kevin shares his thoughts about leadership development and ideas to help you lead more confidently and make a bigger difference for those you lead. He also has weekly conversations with leadership experts discussing a wide range of topics including teamwork, organizational culture, facilitating change, personal and organizational development, human potential and more.   Leave a Review If you liked this conversation, we'd be thrilled if you'd let others know by leaving a review on Apple Podcasts. Here's a quick guide for posting a review. Review on Apple: https://remarkablepodcast.com/itunes    Podcast Better! Sign up with Libsyn and get up to 2 months free! Use promo code: RLP   Join Our Community If you want to view our live podcast episodes, hear about new releases, or chat with others who enjoy this podcast join one of our communities below. Join the Facebook Group Join the LinkedIn Group