Minnesota ICE Shooting: Former FBI Agent Explains the Deadly Force Standard — Was It Lawful?

(Re-Release – Companion Episode) If you’ve listened to our recent update on Stop the Killing and want a clear, detailed reminder of what actually happened in Uvalde, this episode is for you. In this companion re-release, former FBI executive and use-of-force expert Katherine Schweit walks listeners through the full factual timeline of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas — drawing directly from the U.S. Department of Justice’s extensive Critical Incident Review. Rather than headlines or speculation, this episode breaks down: What law enforcement knew — and when How an active shooter was repeatedly misclassified as a barricaded subject The complete 77-minute delay between first police entry and the shooter being stopped The absence of command and control, despite dozens of officers on scene Why training, leadership, and communication failures compounded minute by minute How misinformation spread among responders, families, and medical teams What the DOJ identified as systemic breakdowns, not individual hindsight errors This episode also explains — in plain language — the critical difference between: Active shooter response (immediate engagement to stop the killing), and Barricaded subject protocols (containment and negotiation) A distinction that mattered enormously — and tragically — in Uvalde. For listeners following the current conversation and updates, this episode provides the essential context needed to understand: Why Uvalde remains a case study in what must never happen again How failures in leadership and coordination can override training What lessons the DOJ says must be learned to prevent future loss of life This is not an opinion piece.It is a fact-driven reconstruction, based on hundreds of pages of official findings, and presented to ensure the truth is understood — not forgotten. Stop the Killing examines critical incidents involving deadly force through the lens of experience, evidence, and accountability. Hosted by journalist Sarah Ferris and former FBI executive Katherine Schweit, the podcast focuses on what actually happened, why it matters, and how future tragedies can be prevented. Resources & Links: Support us on Patreon for exclusive content and early access to episodes. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. More insights from Katherine Schweit: Katherine Schweit. Stop the Bleed training. FBI: RUN, HIDE, FIGHT. CrimeCon UK Tickets — Use DISCOUNT CODE “FERRIS” for a special offer! Check out more from Sarah Ferris Media: Conning the Con Klooghless: The Long Con Guilty Greenie Watching Two Detectives The Bravery Academy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Uvalde Verdict: What the Decision Really Means The verdict is in. In this episode of Stop the Killing, former FBI executive and use-of-force expert Katherine Schweit breaks down the legal outcome of the Uvalde case — what the verdict establishes, what it doesn’t, and why accountability in cases like this is so often misunderstood. This is not reactionary commentary. It’s a clear-eyed explanation of how deadly force law, command responsibility, and policy failures intersect — and why public expectations and legal reality rarely align. 🔁 Want the full story?Our comprehensive deep-dive into the Uvalde shooting — covering the full timeline, systemic failures, and command breakdowns — is available right now for Apple and Patreon subscribers and releases tomorrow on the public feed. In this episode: What the verdict legally confirms — and what it leaves unresolved Why criminal and civil accountability don’t operate the same way How policy failures shaped the outcome What this case means for future active-shooter response standards If you want clarity instead of outrage, this episode is essential listening. Related episodes: https://evergreenpodcasts.com/stop-the-killing/s4e48-the-uvalde-shooting-a-comprehensive-analysis Resources & Links: Support us on Patreon for exclusive content and early access to episodes. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. More insights from Katherine Schweit: Katherine Schweit. Stop the Bleed training. FBI: RUN, HIDE, FIGHT. CrimeCon UK Tickets — Use DISCOUNT CODE “FERRIS” for a special offer! Check out more from Sarah Ferris Media: CONmunity Podcast Klooghless: The Long Con Guilty Greenie Watching Two Detectives The Bravery Academy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Nearly four years after the Uvalde school shooting, an unprecedented criminal trial is underway. In this episode of Stop the Killing Podcast, former FBI executive and prosecutor Katherine Schweit examines the prosecution of a responding officer charged with 29 felony counts of abandoning or endangering a child — not for what he did, but for what prosecutors argue he failed to do.  This fact-based episode explains how failure-to-act cases are judged, what prosecutors must prove, and why this trial could reshape accountability in active shooter responses. Related episodes: https://evergreenpodcasts.com/stop-the-killing/s4e48-the-uvalde-shooting-a-comprehensive-analysis Resources & Links: Support us on Patreon for exclusive content and early access to episodes. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. More insights from Katherine Schweit: Katherine Schweit. Stop the Bleed training. FBI: RUN, HIDE, FIGHT. CrimeCon UK Tickets — Use DISCOUNT CODE “FERRIS” for a special offer! Check out more from Sarah Ferris Media: Conning the Con Klooghless: The Long Con Guilty Greenie Watching Two Detectives The Bravery Academy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

🎧 UNDERSTANDING DEADLY FORCE — PART TWO Stop the Killing Podcast | S4E59 If you listened to last week’s bonus episode examining the Minnesota ICE agent shooting — where Katherine Schweit broke down the deadly force standard and whether it was lawful — and found yourself wanting to go deeper into how deadly force policies actually work, this episode is for you. This is Part Two of our Understanding Deadly Force series, released to add further context and depth to the questions raised by that case — not by revisiting the incident itself, but by examining the policies, training, and human consequences behind deadly force decisions. Hosts Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit are joined again by Jerri Williams, a retired FBI agent with 26 years of service, to explore what happens after a deadly force encounter — and why that aftermath matters just as much as the moment a trigger is pulled. This episode picks up where Part One left off and focuses on: Why officers involved in shootings must receive psychological and psychiatric support How unresolved trauma can endanger officers, partners, and civilians Why deadly force scenarios are mentally rehearsed — awake and asleep The reality of firing until a threat is stopped, not “counting shots” How training protocols evolved after catastrophic shootings Why civilians are judged differently than law enforcement under deadly force laws The legal and emotional risks civilians face when carrying and using a firearm The persistent myth of the “good guy with a gun” Listeners hear firsthand accounts from FBI agents who survived gunfights and lived with the consequences — not as spectacle, but as institutional knowledge meant to prevent future loss of life. Public debate around deadly force often focuses on outcomes, not consequences. This episode asks listeners to consider the weight of responsibility carried by those who use force — and the long shadow those decisions cast over careers, families, and lives. It is not about defending or condemning any single case.It is about understanding what deadly force truly costs. Bonus Episode — Minnesota ICE Shooting: Deadly Force Standard Explained S4E58 — Understanding Deadly Force (Part One) S4E59 — Understanding Deadly Force (Part Two) Head to YouTube @SarahFerrisMedia FBI Retired Case File Review Podcast – hosted by Jerri Williams Early Access & Bonus Episodes: Apple Podcasts & Patreon WANT THE VIDEOS? Head to YouTube 👉 @SarahFerrisMedia Resources & Links: Support us on Patreon for exclusive content and early access to episodes. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. More insights from Katherine Schweit: Katherine Schweit. Stop the Bleed training. FBI: RUN, HIDE, FIGHT. CrimeCon UK Tickets — Use DISCOUNT CODE “FERRIS” for a special offer! Check out more from Sarah Ferris Media: CONmunity Podcast  Klooghless: The Long Con Guilty Greenie Watching Two Detectives The Bravery Academy 🧠 What This Episode Explores⚖️ Why This Episode Matters Now🔁 Recommended Listening Order🎥 Want the Videos?🎧 Listen & Watch Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

🎧 Recommended Listening: Go Deeper on Deadly Force If you’ve just listened to our bonus episode —Minnesota ICE Shooting: Former FBI Agent Explains the Deadly Force Standard — Was It Lawful? —and want to dig deeper into how deadly force decisions are actually made, this episode is the perfect companion. To better understand the legal, psychological, and operational realities behind law enforcement use of deadly force, we recommend revisiting: With Retired FBI Agent & Host of FBI Retired Case File Review, Jerri WilliamsStop the Killing Podcast | S4E58 In this powerful episode, hosts Sarah Ferris and Katherine Schweit are joined by Jerri Williams, a retired FBI agent with 26 years of service, to unpack what actually goes into a decision to fire a weapon — long before a single shot is ever taken. While our Minnesota ICE bonus episode focuses on how deadly force is legally evaluated after the fact, this conversation fills in the gaps by explaining: What officers are trained to consider before force is used The FBI’s deadly force policy and decision framework The psychological burden of carrying a gun every day Why split-second decisions are shaped by training, stress, and threat perception Key differences between U.S. and UK law enforcement use-of-force standards Together, these episodes give listeners a fuller picture of how deadly force decisions are made, reviewed, and judged — without political rhetoric or hindsight bias. [00:00:00] Why deadly force is so widely misunderstood [00:03:10] The FBI deadly force policy explained [00:14:00] The psychological weight of carrying a firearm [00:20:00] Making split-second life-or-death decisions [00:30:00] Real FBI case experiences involving deadly force FBI Retired Case File Review Podcast – hosted by Jerri Williams Early Access & Bonus Episodes: Apple Podcasts & Patreon WANT THE VIDEOS? Head to YouTube 👉 @SarahFerrisMedia Resources & Links: Support us on Patreon for exclusive content and early access to episodes. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. More insights from Katherine Schweit: Katherine Schweit. Stop the Bleed training. FBI: RUN, HIDE, FIGHT. CrimeCon UK Tickets — Use DISCOUNT CODE “FERRIS” for a special offer! Check out more from Sarah Ferris Media: CONmunity Podcast  Klooghless: The Long Con Guilty Greenie Watching Two Detectives The Bravery Academy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this episode of Stop the Killing Podcast, former FBI agent and prosecutor Katherine Schweit breaks down the fatal shooting of Renee Goode, a 37-year-old U.S. citizen, by a federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in Minneapolis. Rather than reacting to headlines or social media outrage, this episode focuses on one question only: Did the officer’s actions meet the legal standard for the use of deadly force? Drawing on Department of Justice policy, Supreme Court case law, and her own experience investigating officer-involved shootings, Schweit explains: What “objectively reasonable” force actually means When officers are legally prohibited from shooting at moving vehicles Why anger, frustration, or refusal to comply do not justify deadly force How federal investigations differ when the shooter is a federal agent What investigators will be required to evaluate — regardless of politics This episode does not reach a verdict.It explains the rules — so listeners can understand how this case will be judged. DOJ and DHS deadly force policy Shooting into a vehicle: what the law allows and forbids Federal vs state investigations in officer-involved shootings Why “escape” alone can never justify deadly force What video evidence can — and cannot — tell us This case has ignited protests and intense public debate.Understanding the actual legal standard is essential — especially when emotions are high and facts are still emerging. Relevant Resources and Links: Learn more about Change the Ref and how you can get involved: changetheref.org Support the podcast on Patreon or via Apple Subscriptions. Related podcast episodes: Watching Two Detectives CONmunity podcast  The Bravery Academy Guilty Greenie If you found this episode impactful, consider subscribing to the Stop the Killing podcast on Apple Podcasts or supporting us on Patreon to help continue these crucial conversations. Your support allows us to keep producing this independent podcast and contribute to making a real-world difference. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this bonus episode of Stop the Killing, Sarah shares why she felt compelled to release this previously recorded Thanksgiving episode today — after waking to the devastating news of the Bondi Beach shooting in Australia. Early reports indicate two gunmen — a father and son — opened fire on a Jewish Hanukkah celebration. Amid the terror, a civilian, Ahmed Al Ahmed, intervened and wrestled the gun from one of the attackers, an extraordinary act of bravery that undoubtedly saved lives. His courage, and the countless other acts of heroism that day, deserve to be remembered alongside the victims of this horrific event. Following Sarah’s reflection on Bondi Beach, Katherine Schweit walks listeners through the recent headlines across the United States — a stark reminder of the rise in everyday gun violence: shootings in parking lots, malls, tree-lighting ceremonies, restaurants, and road-rage encounters. These are not the mass-casualty attacks that dominate front-page news, but the far more frequent, unpredictable shootings that end lives and shatter families daily. Katherine breaks down: Why “every neighbourhood” is now potentially vulnerable How small disputes escalate into gunfire Why situational awareness is essential The dangers of anger and firearms in the same moment The toll of stress and the holiday season on suicide by firearm How we can all be part of the solution this holiday season This episode is a reminder that civilians can make a difference, heroes walk among us, and awareness — combined with empathy, grace, and responsible gun ownership — can save lives. To the victims and families affected in Bondi Beach, and to all impacted by gun violence everywhere: our hearts go out to you. OIN THE CONVERSATION We invite you to share this episode with friends, family, and educators. Let’s work together to create safer school environments and inspire action within our communities. Call to Action: If you found this episode impactful, consider subscribing to the Stop the Killing podcast on Apple Podcasts or supporting us on Patreon to help continue these crucial conversations. Your support allows us to keep producing this independent podcast and contribute to making a real-world difference. Relevant Resources and Links: More insights from Katherine Schweit: Katherine Schweit. Website: Sarah Ferris Media Email: [email protected] Share: If you found this episode insightful, share it with someone who might benefit from it and join the conversation on social media. SUPPORTING OUR SPONSORS, SUPPORTS THE PODCAST CRIMECON UK TICKETS HERE CRIMECON US TICKETS HERE DON’T forget to use DISCOUNT CODE “FERRIS” RESOURCES Stop the Bleed training FBI RUN, HIDE, FIGHT This is a Sarah Ferris Media production on the Killer Podcasts Network.Check out more Sarah Ferris Media productions: CONNING THE CON KLOOGHLESS - THE LONG CON GUILTY GREENIE THE BRAVERY ACADEMY WATCHING TWO DETECTIVES Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

🎧 NEW FROM SARAH FERRIS MEDIA CONmunity Podcast | Season Two: The BADmiral A $3.75 billion international search-and-rescue organisation. Admirals from around the globe. A mission that promised purpose — and pay.But what happens when the story doesn’t quite add up? From the creator of Stop the Killing and Klooghless: The Long Con, Sarah Ferris takes listeners on an 18-month global investigation to uncover the truth behind an organisation that may not be all it seems. 🎙️ THE BADmiral is Season Two of CONmunity Podcast — and all episodes are available now.Start with Episodes 1 & 2 wherever you get your podcasts — or binge the entire season ad-free right now on:👉 Apple Podcasts👉 Patreon.com/CONmunity ⚓️ Follow the investigation. Meet the people who believed. And discover why seeing deception while you’re in it can feel like trying to catch smoke in your hands. Produced by Sarah Ferris Media on the Killer Podcasts Network Check out more Sarah Ferris Media productions: Stop the Killing Klooghless – The Long Con The Bravery Academy Guilty Greenie 📧 Contact: [email protected]🌐 Website: Sarah Ferris Media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

INTRODUCING THE JORDAN HARBINGER SHOW Katherine and Sarah recommend the Jordan Harbinger Show. In particular, the Molly Boom episode is a must listen for Stop The Killing listeners. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

If you want the very latest updates on this case, head to Patreon or Apple Subscriptions — that’s where we’re posting breaking news episodes as soon as they happen. And don’t forget to follow us on Instagram @stopthekillingstories for updates and behind-the-scenes content. In this episode, retired FBI executive Katherine Schweit — former head of the Bureau’s Active Shooter Program — brings you the latest on the Charlie Kirk assassination case following the Utah County prosecutor’s first press conference. Katherine breaks down: Why the case was filed at the state level as an “information” rather than a federal indictment The seven charges now filed, including aggravated murder, felony discharge of a firearm, obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and committing a violent offense in the presence of a child The aggravating factors that could increase sentencing: children present at the shooting and targeting political expression How text messages and a handwritten note became central evidence What the prosecutor’s decision to seek the death penalty means for the long road ahead As always, Katherine takes the heat out of the headlines and focuses on the facts. Support us on Patreon for exclusive content and early access. Subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts. More about Katherine Schweit and her work: Katherine Schweit. Connect with Sarah Ferris: Sarah Ferris Media. Subscribe to the podcast on your favorite platform. Support us on Patreon or Apple Subscriptions for exclusive bite-sized episodes and more. Leave a five-star review on Apple Podcasts to help others find the show. Follow us on Instagram @stopthekillingstories for updates and behind-the-scenes content. Send us your questions, feedback, and case suggestions through our websites or Instagram. Stop the Bleed training FBI RUN, HIDE, FIGHT This is a Sarah Ferris Media production on the Killer Podcasts Network. Check out more Sarah Ferris Media productions: Conning the Con Klooghless – The Long Con Guilty Greenie The Bravery Academy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices