Coming July 10: Chasing The Golden State Killer with Paul Holes

In the final part of this three-part series, retired FBI agent Scott brings us to the end of one of the most significant domestic terrorism cases in American history. Justice is served for the people of Oklahoma City. But for Scott, closing a case like this doesn't mean leaving it behind. Some cases stay with you. This is one of them. Retired FBI agent R. Scott Crabtree was born in Herington, KS and raised in Omaha, NE. After high school, he enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps before getting his college degree in accounting, aconomics, and business. During his nearly 25 years career with the Bureau, Scott was assigned to five different field offices, including New York City, their largest office, and the Salina, KS, Resident Agency, a one-person office, as well as two tours at FBIHQ in Washington D.C. Scott was the lead Kansas investigator of the Oklahoma City Bombing. He later led the Cyber Crime Squad in New York where he worked cases including the "I Love You" virus. After that, he led a rapid task force in Seattle that helped capture the D.C. snipers. After his retirement, Scott was recruited by a non-profit contractor firm where he was able to continue his work supporting and enabling operational, intelligence and information-sharing functions in numerous law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Scott's book about his work with the Oklahoma City bombing case, called Under 80 Hours, was published in 2025. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In part two of this three-part series, retired FBI agent Scott comes face to face with a key second suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing. What follows is an hours-long interview that requires as much patience as it does skill. The suspect's story shifts and changes, and Scott has to navigate every contradiction carefully, pushing just enough without pushing too far. One wrong move and it all falls apart. Scott needs this to hold up in court. Retired FBI agent R. Scott Crabtree was born in Herington, KS and raised in Omaha, NE. After high school, he enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps before getting his college degree in accounting, aconomics, and business. During his nearly 25 years career with the Bureau, Scott was assigned to five different field offices, including New York City, their largest office, and the Salina, KS, Resident Agency, a one-person office, as well as two tours at FBIHQ in Washington D.C. Scott was the lead Kansas investigator of the Oklahoma City Bombing. He later led the Cyber Crime Squad in New York where he worked cases including the "I Love You" virus. After that, he led a rapid task force in Seattle that helped capture the D.C. snipers. After his retirement, Scott was recruited by a non-profit contractor firm where he was able to continue his work supporting and enabling operational, intelligence and information-sharing functions in numerous law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Scott's book about his work with the Oklahoma City bombing case, called Under 80 Hours, was published in 2025.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Oklahoma City Bombing was one of the most devastating attacks in American history, and its story has been told many times. But never like this. Retired FBI agent Scott was on the case in the chaotic hours after the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. In part one of this three-part series, Scott takes us through the turbulent days immediately after the bombing, as he races to pin down a suspect. Retired FBI agent R. Scott Crabtree was born in Herington, KS and raised in Omaha, NE. After high school, he enlisted in the U.S. Marine Corps before getting his college degree in accounting, aconomics, and business. During his nearly 25 years career with the Bureau, Scott was assigned to five different field offices, including New York City, their largest office, and the Salina, KS, Resident Agency, a one-person office, as well as two tours at FBIHQ in Washington D.C. Scott was the lead Kansas investigator of the Oklahoma City Bombing. He later led the Cyber Crime Squad in New York where he worked cases including the "I Love You" virus. After that, he led a rapid task force in Seattle that helped capture the D.C. snipers. After his retirement, Scott was recruited by a non-profit contractor firm where he was able to continue his work supporting and enabling operational, intelligence and information-sharing functions in numerous law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Scott's book about his work with the Oklahoma City bombing case, called Under 80 Hours, was published in 2025.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Paul Holes has never told the full story of the Golden State Killer case like this before.  This summer, Small Town Dicks presents a special 10-part limited series: Chasing the Golden State Killer with Paul Holes.  Across the series, Paul will tell the full story of his 24-year pursuit of the Golden State Killer, from the earliest case files to the DNA breakthrough that helped identify Joseph DeAngelo.  Chasing the Golden State Killer with Paul Holes premieres July 10, with new episodes every Friday on the Small Town Dicks podcast feed.  To join our SuperFam please visit ⁠smalltowndicks.com/superfam⁠- Super Fam level members will get each episode a day early and ad free. - Super Duper Fam level members will be able to binge all 10 episodes ad free on July 10 Photo courtesy of Anton Floquet | ⁠antonfloquet.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A young woman's body is found in a remote, rural area with little to go on and no way to identify her. Captain Chris and his team do the only thing they can and start going through the trash around her. A single receipt changes everything. It leads them to a man named William and a complex love triangle involving his current girlfriend and his former fiancée. When Chris puts the pieces together, the identity of the woman in the woods becomes heartbreakingly clear.  Captain Chris grew up in Springfield, OR, and has been working in Law Enforcement for about 18 yearsHe started his career at the Lane County Sheriff’s Office in 2007, and was hired by the Benton County Sheriff’s Office in 2008, where he has worked ever since. Chris has worked as a patrol deputy, detective, sergeant, detective sergeant, lieutenant, and captain in the patrol division. He is married and the father of three sons.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In January 2025, a 17-year-old opened fire in his school cafeteria, killing a teenage girl before turning the gun on himself. In the aftermath, Matt Kriner faces a different kind of investigation. His job is to dig through the suspect's vast digital footprint, a record rife with racist and violent rhetoric, and piece together not just what happened, but why. And what it might take to prevent it from happening again. Matt Kriner has a background in intelligence analysis and is the Executive Director Institute for Countering Digital Extremism (ICDE), which he co-founded to provide guidance to government agencies and tech companies helping prevent online radicalization and offline extremist harms. Matt is the expert witness for several key legal cases against accelerationist perpetrators in both the U.S. and Canada, and his insights may be found in a variety of outlets, including the PBS Documentary The Rise and Fall of Terrorgram. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A man pulls a gun on his wife during an argument and refuses to surrender when law enforcement arrives. Lieutenant Ryan takes the scene and what follows is a tense, five-hour negotiation. As Ryan works to bring the situation to a safe resolution, the case becomes a window into how suspects behave in these moments and what it takes to reach them. Lieutenant Ryan has worked in law enforcement for 15 years. He started his career as a patrol deputy and later moved into investigations as a detective, working in a unit that handled Crimes Against Children, including complex and sensitive cases involving abuse and exploitation. After promoting through the ranks, Ryan has served in leadership roles in patrol services, special investigations, and spent several years in the Training Division, where he helped build his agency’s training academy and shape the next generation of officers. He also served for six years on his agency’s Crisis Negotiations Team, eventually becoming the team leader. Ryan comes from a law enforcement family—his father and uncle both wore the badge before him, with his father serving over 40 years in law enforcement. He’s currently a shift commander on patrol and continues to oversee the field training program in his district. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A young mother, six weeks pregnant, reaches out to Detective Alia after being attacked by her on-again, off-again partner. Alia takes the case and gets to work, determined to get justice for her and her unborn child. But before she can get there, the case takes a turn that is as devastating as it is unexpected. Detective Alia has 12 years of law enforcement experience with her agency. She spent eight years on patrol, including five as a Field Training Deputy, mentoring and developing new deputies. She then served three years in the Training Division, where she oversaw cadet instruction at the academy and coordinated agency-wide training initiatives. Detective Alia now serves as a Violent Crimes Detective, within the Criminal Investigations Division, where she investigates violent crimes against persons. She has also been a crisis negotiator for the past five years and remains on call 24/7 for hostage and barricaded subject incidents. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Two elderly women are assaulted by the same CNA who was assigned to care for them. Detective Robert picks up the case and sits down with the suspect for a lengthy interview, walking away with a confession. But when Robert puts out a media release, the phones don't stop ringing. Victims come forward. Former coworkers admit they knew something was wrong. What emerges is bigger than one case. It's a picture of a broken system that allowed a predator to keep operating. Sergeant Robert has been in law enforcement for over 20 years. Prior to becoming a detective, he spent nine years on patrol, where he served as a Field Training Officer (FTO) and an FBI-trained hostage negotiator. As a detective, he worked in a unit that investigated crimes against children, including sex crimes, serious physical abuse and child homicides. He was later re-assigned to the violent crimes unit, where he investigated homicides, robberies and other serious felonies. He was an active member of his county’s major crimes team, which investigated homicides and officer-involved shootings. After 10 years in investigations, Robert was promoted to sergeant. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hector returns home from a work trip to find small things out of place. When Hector confronts his daughter, Sofia, she confesses to a secret relationship with a 68-year-old man she met swing dancing. Hector walks her straight to the police station, and that's how Lieutenant Ryan gets the case. A controlled call gives Ryan what he needs. But it's what Sofia says at the end of that call that changes everything and leads police to a search warrant that reveals just how deep this obsession goes. Join the Small Town Dicks SuperFam for exclusive bonus content & more:https://smalltowndicks.com/superfam Lieutenant Ryan has worked in law enforcement for 15 years. He started his career as a patrol deputy and later moved into investigations as a detective, working in a unit that handled Crimes Against Children, including complex and sensitive cases involving abuse and exploitation.After promoting through the ranks, Ryan has served in leadership roles in patrol services, special investigations, and spent several years in the Training Division, where he helped build his agency’s training academy and shape the next generation of officers. He also served for six years on his agency’s Crisis Negotiations Team, eventually becoming the team leader. Ryan comes from a law enforcement family—his father and uncle both wore the badge before him, with his father serving over 40 years in law enforcement. He’s currently a shift commander on patrol and continues to oversee the field training program in his district. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices