S2 Ep. 3 - It's Giving Deflated Titty w/ Beth Stelling

Jana and Bobby are back to talk about Bobby’s massive mural project in St. Paul, the unspoken rules of graffiti culture, and why artist statements don’t need to sound so damn pretentious. They celebrate historic victories for Native women in politics, reflect on the power of Indigenous storytelling and grassroots organizing, and share some outrageous Halloween stories and questionable teenage decisions. Plus, a listener struggling with a group of unruly teens at her public library asks for advice on setting boundaries, earning respect, and building meaningful relationships with young people who need community, not just consequences.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Wilson (@bobbydues)Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana is joined by special guest co-host Emma Robbins, who's filling in for Bobby, to talk about their outrageous Halloween costumes, the Elizabeth Holmes documentary, and gearing up for LA NDN Flea and Sage-Based Drag Night. They dive deep into self-abandonment, setting boundaries, and the unique pressures Native women face to constantly show up for their communities, while reminding each other that rest is necessary and sometimes sisterhood means saying no for someone else. Plus, a listener navigating an abusive family situation asks for advice on finding the courage to leave home, reclaiming their safety, and building a new support system while healing from trauma.Get FREE tix for the LA NDN Flea on November 7 + 8: https://www.thebroad.org/events/la-ndn-flea-native-marketGet $27 tix for Sage-Based Drag Night on November 8: https://www.redcat.org/events/sage-based-drag-nightFOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Emma Robbins (@emmarobbinz) Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby are joined by Rachel Crowl (Between Two Knees, The Lowdown) to talk about stealing scenes in Romeo & Juliet, meeting Madonna, and the magic of live theater. Rachel shares how she stumbled into acting, why challenging directors can make you a better artist, and what it means to return to the stage after a 12-year hiatus. Meanwhile, Bobby is painting a massive mural in St. Paul, not far from where he once got arrested for graffiti, and they debate Noah Wyle’s advice on how to keep getting invited back to play. Plus, the importance of not being an asshole, the unexpected math of mural painting, and a queer Indigenous listener looking to date casually in LA without catching feelings.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Guest: Rachel Crowl (@rachel_crowl)Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby catch up on Bobby’s Minnesota mural adventures, Jana’s mysterious stomach troubles, and a missed Santa Fe film festival before getting fired up about ICE and the hypocrisy of Americans crossing into Mexico for affordable healthcare. Plus, they help a bakery worker stay optimistic through workplace changes and negative coworker.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby celebrate the aunties and culture keepers doing the work in Indian Country, revisit their childhood Disney obsessions, and dream up Indigenous fairy tales. Plus, they get real about accountability in our communities and help a Māori listener navigate the heartbreak of falling for a best friend.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

CW: This episode discusses sexual assault, domestic violence, violence against Indigenous women and Two-Spirit relatives, MMIP/MMIW, child abuse, murder, and other forms of gender-based violence.In response to the ongoing #Cornell7 / #Cornell57 conversation, Jana and Bobby are joined by attorney, educator, and playwright Mary Kathryn Nagle for a rage-fueled breakdown about the violence Native women and relatives experience and the systems that continue to fail them. They trace the connections between colonization, boarding schools, sexual violence, media representation, tribal jurisdiction, VAWA, and the Missing and Murdered Indigenous People crisis. As always, believe and support survivors, hold perpetrators and leaders accountable, and find the people already doing this work in your own community and support them.Resources for support, to learn, and to take action:National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center - www.niwrc.orgUrban Indian Health Institute - www.uihi.org FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Guest: Mary Kathryn Nagle (@mknagle)Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby talk about the chaos of working in the arts, old-school YouTube, awkward social interactions, and the questionable things they once did for free. They get into how to welcome someone into a conversation, what to do when you forget a name, embracing awkwardness instead of spiraling, and learning from kids who simply ask for what they need. Plus: Bobby gets ghosted by a park dad, penis vocabulary across Indian Country, toboggans and pajoggans, Rocky Point, border politics, AI doom, and advice for a listener dealing with racism in her own family.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby are joined by Mary Hollis Inboden (Kevin Can F**k Himself, The Righteous Gemstones) for a conversation about Arkansas and learning a Boston accent. Then, naturally, things spiral into Boyz II Men fart allegations, sharting at the Mall of America, whether kids still think farts are funny, and what it means if they don’t. Mary, Jana, and Bobby talk about trusting the people whose feedback actually matters, embracing embarrassment instead of letting it control you, and creating the work you want to see rather than waiting for someone else to give you permission. Plus: Mark Ruffalo’s neck, an Amazon beadwork confession, and a reminder to support the artists making things in your own community.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Guest: Mary Hollis Inboden (‪@maryhollisinboden)Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby are joined by Beth Stelling (Rutherford Falls, Girl Daddy), getting sacred, silly, and deeply real as they remember Georgina Lightning, swap stories from their Rutherford Falls days, and somehow spiral into cat surgery, TIFF styling, Dayton tattoos, machetes, and the state of stand-up comedy. They also get into criticism, narcissism, learning how to take a note, and figuring out whose feedback is actually worth listening to. Then, they answer a listener’s question about how to support a friend through breast reduction surgery, with Jana sharing what helped during her own recovery and the gifts that can make those first few weeks a little easier.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Guest: Beth Stelling (@bethstelling)Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]

Jana and Bobby are back, getting sacred, silly, and wildly off track as they ponder what happened when someone broke an ankle in the old days, talk Indigenous approaches to disability and community, mourn the emo poems lost to colonization, and somehow end up on birch bark porn. They also dive deep into dreams, premonitions, alternate dimensions, and the ways dreams can guide us through change. Then, they answer a listener’s question about crushes, mixed signals, getting left on read, and whether it’s better to play relationship chess or just be earnest and go for it.FOR MORE OF US IN YOUR LIFE, BECOME AN OFFICIAL WISE ASS: sagebasedwisdom.supercast.comHosts: Jana Schmieding (@janaunplgd) and Bobby Dues Wilson (@bobbydues) Music: Steve Jenkins (@stevejenkins)Producer: John Delviscio (@johndelviscio)Have a question or comment about anything? Leave a voice memo: https://www.speakpipe.com/sagebasedwisdomEmail us a voice memo here: [email protected]