Internal threats are the hole in Cybersecurity’s donut - Frank Vukovits - ESW #438

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It’s the holidays, your defenses are down, your inbox is lying to you, and yes—you’re gonna click the link. In Part 1 of our holiday special, Doug White and a panel of very smart people explain why social engineering still works decades later, why training alone won’t save you, and why the real job is surviving after the click. From phishing and smishing to click-fix attacks, access control disasters, and stories that prove humans remain the weakest—and most entertaining—link in security, this episode sets the stage for the attack we all know is coming. Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/swn for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/swn-540

Using OWASP SAMM to assess and improve compliance with the Cyber Resilience Act (CRA) is an excellent strategy, as SAMM provides a framework for secure development practices such as secure by design principles and handling vulns. Segment Resources: https://owaspsamm.org/ https://cybersecuritycoalition.be/resource/a-strategic-approach-to-product-security-with-owasp-samm/ As genAI becomes a more popular tool in software engineering, the definition of “secure coding” is changing. This session explores how artificial intelligence is reshaping the way developers learn, apply, and scale secure coding practices — and how new risks emerge when machines start generating the code themselves. We’ll dive into the dual challenge of securing both human-written and AI-assisted code, discuss how enterprises can validate AI outputs against existing security standards, and highlight practical steps teams can take to build resilience into the entire development pipeline. Join us as we look ahead to the convergence of secure software engineering and AI security — where trust, transparency, and tooling will define the future of code safety. Segment Resources: https://manicode.com/ai/ Understand the history of threat modeling with Adam Shostack. Learn how threat modeling has evolved with the Four Question Framework and can work in your organizations in the wake of the AI revolution. Whether you're launching a formal Security Champions program or still figuring out where to start, there's one truth every security leader needs to hear: You already have allies in your org -- they're just waiting to be activated. In this session, we’ll explore how identifying and empowering your internal advocates is the fastest, most sustainable way to drive security culture change. These are your early adopters: the developers, engineers, and team leads who already “get it,” even if their title doesn’t say “security.” We’ll unpack: Why you need help from people outside the security org to actually be effective Where to find your natural allies (hint: it starts with listening, not preaching) How to support and energize those allies so they influence the majority What behavioral science tells us about spreading change across an organization Segment Resources: Security Champion Success Guide: https://securitychampionsuccessguide.org/ Related interviews/podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPb14P8f4T1ITv3p3Y3XtKsyEAA8W526h How to measure success and impact of culture change and champions: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/from-soft-skills-hard-data-measuring-success-security-yhmse/ Global Community of Champions sign up: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScyXPAMf9M8idpDMwO4p2h5Ng8I0ffofZuY70BbmgCZNPUS5Q/viewform This interview is sponsored by the OWASP GenAI Security Project. Visit https://securityweekly.com/owaspappsec to watch all of CyberRisk TV's interviews from the OWASP 2025 Global AppSec Conference! Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-362

Interview with Frank Vukovits: Focusing inward: there lie threats also External threats get discussed more than internal threats. There’s a bit of a streetlight effect here: external threats are more visible, easier to track, and sharing external threat intelligence doesn’t infringe on any individual organization’s privacy. That’s why we hear the industry discuss external threats more, though internally-triggered incidents far outnumber external ones. Internal threats, on the other hand, can get personal. Accidental leaks are embarassing. Malicious insiders are a sensitive topic that internal counsel would erase from company memory if they could. Even when disclosure is required, the lawyers are going to minimize the amount of detail that gets out. I was chief incident handler for 5 years of my enterprise career, and never once had to deal with an external threat. I managed dozens of internal cases over those 5 years though. In this interview, we discuss the need for strong internal controls with Frank Vukovits from Delinea. As systems and users inside and outside organizations become increasingly connected, maintaining strong security controls is essential to protect data and systems from both internal and external threats. In this episode, we will explore the importance of strong internal controls around business application security and how they can best be integrated into a broader security program to ensure true enterprise security. This segment is sponsored by Delinea. Visit https://securityweekly.com/delinea to learn more about them! Topic Segment: Personal Disaster Recovery Many of us depend on service providers for our personal email, file storage, and photo storage. The line between personal accounts and work accounts often blur, particularly when it comes to Apple devices. We’re way more dependent on our Microsoft, Apple, Meta, and Google accounts than we used to be. They’re necessary to use home voice assistants, to log into other SaaS applications (Log in with Google/Apple/FB), and even manage our wireless plans (e.g. Google Fi). Getting locked out of any of these accounts can bring someone’s personal and/or work life to a halt, and there are many cases of this happening. I’m not sure if we make it past sharing stories about what can and has happened. Getting into solutions might have to be a separate discussion (also, we may not have any solutions…) Friend of the show and sometimes emergency co-host Guillaume posted about this recently A romance author got locked out of her books A 79 year old got locked out of her iPad with all her family photos. Sadly, this is one of the most common scenarios. Someone either forgets their pin and locks out the device permanently, or a family member dies and didn’t tell anyone their passwords or pins, so the surviving family can’t access data, pay the bills, etc. Google example: Claims of CSAM material after father documents toddler at doctor’s request https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/22/google-csam-account-blocked Dec 2025 Apple example: she tried to redeem a gift card that had been tampered with: https://hey.paris/posts/appleid/ Google example: developer lost all his work, because he was working on preventing revenge porn and other sensitive cases, and was building a better model to detect NSFW images: https://medium.com/@russoatlarge_93541/i-built-a-privacy-app-google-banned-me-over-a-dataset-used-in-ai-research-66bc0dfb2310 My partner’s mom’s Instagram account got hacked. Meta locked out all of it (Whatsapp, Instagram, Facebook) and she couldn’t get it reinstated. They wouldn’t even let her open a NEW account. Weekly Enterprise News Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-438

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This week in the security news: Linux process injection Threat actors need training too A Linux device "capable of practically anything" The Internet of webcams Hacking cheap devices Automating exploitation with local AI models Lame C2 Smallest SSH backdoor Your RDP is on the Internet These are not the high severity bugs you were looking for Low hanging fruit Your TV is spying on you, again no such thing as "offensive security" MCPs and RCEs Browser extensions collecting your AI chats And flooding TikTok with AI influencers Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/psw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/psw-905

Business Security Weekly is well aware of the cybersecurity hiring challenges. From hiring CISOs to finding the right skills to developing your employees, we cover it weekly in the leadership and communications segment. But this week, our guest interview digs into the global cybersecurity hiring trends. Jim McCoy, CEO at Atlas, joins Business Security Weekly to share his expertise on the global workforce needs in the 160 countries where Atlas provides direct Employer of Record services. From CISO hiring to where to build security teams, Jim will help us navigate the cybersecurity hiring challenges most organizations face. In the leadership and communications segment, CISOs, CIOs and Boards: Bridging the Cybersecurity Confidence Gap, Rethinking the CIO-CISO Dynamic in the Age of AI, Transparent Leadership Beats Servant Leadership, and more! Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/bsw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/bsw-426

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Open source projects benefit from support that takes many shapes. Kat Cosgrove shares her experience across the Kubernetes project and the different ways people can make meaningful contributions to it. One of the underlying themes is that code is written for other people. That means PRs need to be understandable, discussions need to be enlightening, documentation needs to be clear, and collaboration needs to cross all sorts of boundaries. Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/asw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-361

Interview Segment: Tony Kelly Illuminating Data Blind Spots As data sprawls across clouds and collaboration tools, shadow data and fragmented controls have become some of the biggest blind spots in enterprise security. In this segment, we’ll unpack how Data Security Posture Management (DSPM) helps organizations regain visibility and control over their most sensitive assets. Our guest will break down how DSPM differs from adjacent technologies like DLP, CSPM, and DSP, and how it integrates into broader Zero Trust and cloud security strategies. We’ll also explore how compliance and regulatory pressures are shaping the next evolution of the DSPM market—and what security leaders should be doing now to prepare. Segment Resources: https://static.fortra.com/corporate/pdfs/brochure/fta-corp-fortra-dspm-br.pdf This segment is sponsored by Fortra. Visit https://securityweekly.com/fortra to learn more about them! Topic Segment: We've got passkeys, now what? Over this year on this podcast, we've talked a lot about infostealers. Passkeys are a clear solution to implementing phishing and theft-resistant authentication, but what about all these infostealers stealing OAuth keys and refresh tokens? As long as session hijacking is as simple as moving a cookie from one machine to another, securing authentication seems like solving only half the problem. Locking the front door, but leaving a side door unlocked. After doing some research, it appears that there has been some work on this front, including a few standards that have been introduced: DBSC (Device Bound Session Credentials) for browsers DPoP (Demonstrating Proof of Possession) for OAuth applications We'll address a few key questions in this segment: 1. how do these new standards help stop token theft? 2. how broadly have they been adopted? Segment Resources: FIDO Alliance White Paper: DBSC/DPOP as Complementary Technologies to FIDO Authentication News Segment Visit https://www.securityweekly.com/esw for all the latest episodes! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/esw-437