Mothers of Massive Resistance: Chapter 5

Send us a textIn this episode Mandy Griffin and Katty Swalwell explore the complex and troubling history of white women's resistance to school integration following the Brown v. Board of Education decision. The hosts discuss various themes, including the hateful and nefarious tactics employed by white women to maintain racial segregation, the differing reactions to the Supreme Court ruling, and the relentless commitment to white supremacy. They also highlight the use of religion, pseudoscience, and victimhood to justify segregation, drawing parallels to modern-day issues. The episode underscores the role of white women in perpetuating systemic racism and the ongoing struggle for racial justice in the educational system.

Send us a textIn this episode, Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell discuss Chapter 6 of their reading, focusing on the role of white women in the historical and political landscape post-World War II. They explore how these women perpetuated white supremacy by opposing concepts like human rights and integration, particularly through their actions at key events like the 1948 Democratic National Convention and their support of the Bricker Amendment. The chapter reveals how white women strategically used issues like anti-communism and anti-globalism to mask their racist agendas, influencing policies and elections. Discussions include the 1952 election where Eisenhower was elected largely due to the support of white southern women, and the grassroots activism that saw these women rally against treaties and educational reforms. The script underscores the importance of understanding history to see how these deeply rooted ideological conflicts have shaped modern political movements like MAGA.

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Send us a textIn this episode, Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell delve into Chapter 4 of Elizabeth Gillespie McCray's book 'Mothers of Massive Resistance,' focusing on Jim Crow storytelling. The hosts discuss FDR's New Deal, judicial court packing, and how progressive politics were often used to reinforce white supremacy. They analyze the complex figure of Nell Battle Lewis, a North Carolinian journalist whose advocacy for a less violent, more benevolent form of white supremacy highlights the contradictions of white liberalism. The conversation touches on Lewis's support for segregation, her admiration for certain Black elites within constrained boundaries, and how her eugenic beliefs influenced her work. The hosts also reflect on how modern white progressives must remain vigilant about their complicity in maintaining these systems.

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Send us a textIn this episode, Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell continue their discussion on Elizabeth Gillespie McRae's book, 'Mothers of Massive Resistance.' They delve into the stories of three Southern white women—Florence Sillers Ogden, Mary Dawson Cain, and Cornelia Dabney Tucker—who significantly influenced political activism and white supremacy in the early to mid-20th century. Ogden leveraged local politics and New Deal policies to benefit white elites while maintaining segregation. Cain focused on anti-prohibition and business-friendly policies, also breaking with the Democratic Party due to its evolving racial policies. Tucker campaigned against FDR's court-packing plan and later promoted the Republican Party among Southern whites, emphasizing business interests and states' rights under a white supremacist agenda. The episode underscores the complex roles these women played in shaping the South's political landscape and how their actions still resonate today.

Send us a textIn this episode, the hosts delve into a heated discussion about the deeply entrenched white supremacist narratives in the American education system, sparked by the second chapter of McRae's book, Mother's of Massive Resistance. They recount the persistent work of historical figures like Mildred Lewis Rutherford in influencing school curriculums to perpetuate biased histories. The conversation touches on the frustrations and professional insights of both hosts as they connect these historical trends to current events and policies, highlighting the enduring impact on today's education. They also explore contemporary conservative strategies, such as religious curriculum in Texas, and discuss the potential for progressive inroads. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to support organizations and efforts that promote inclusive and accurate educational narratives.00:00 Introduction and Initial Reactions00:28 The Emotional Impact of the Book02:42 Professional Backgrounds and Personal Stakes06:55 Historical Figures and Their Influence12:00 Dominant Narratives vs. Counter Narratives16:09 Modern Implications and Personal Anecdotes20:24 Rutherford's Legacy and Modern Education33:14 Local Control and Federal Oversight35:15 States' Rights and Progressive Uses35:45 Protecting Children: A Cover for White Supremacy39:28 The Role of Education in Shaping Narratives41:30 Textbook Bias and Historical Erasure44:02 The Impact of Racism in Education52:26 Efforts to Counteract Historical Erasure54:53 Controversial Curriculum Changes in Texas01:08:36 Strategies for Challenging the Status Quo01:12:23 Call to Action and ConclusionLinks:https://www.chalkbeat.org/2025/07/17/texas-bible-bluebonnet-lessons-may-spur-parent-opt-outs-after-mahmoud/https://www.socialstudies.org/sites/default/files/view-article-2020-12/se8406335.pdfhttps://www.zinnedproject.orghttps://rethinkingschools.org

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Send us a textThe Persistent Legacy of White Women's Role in Segregation and ResistanceIn this episode, hosts Mandy Griffin and Katy Swalwell initiate a conversation on their new book focus, 'Mothers of Massive Resistance' by Elizabeth Gillespie McRae, which explores the pivotal role of white women in maintaining white supremacy. They highlight the author's background, the central themes of the book, and how it reveals the active and intentional efforts by white women in various societal arenas such as social welfare, public education, and popular culture. The hosts reflect on the relevance of these historical insights to current events and stress the importance of local-level activism in combating entrenched systems of oppression.00:00 Welcome and Introduction00:31 Personal Struggles and Small Wins02:31 Travel and Current Events04:03 Generational Reflections04:38 Podcast Purpose and New Book Introduction06:04 Listener Engagement and Community Building10:12 Author Background and Book Details13:52 Introduction to Segregation's Constant Gardener14:24 The Plant Metaphor of White Supremacy15:42 Four Areas of Focus in the Book17:10 White Women's Role in Segregation19:54 The Threat of White Apathy23:44 Historical Parallels to Modern Politics32:54 The Importance of Local Level Actions34:01 Conclusion and Next Steps

Send us a textNavigating the Mess: White Women's Role in Politics and MotherhoodHosts Mandy Griffin and Katie Swalwell delve into a discussion about the pervasive and historical role white women have played in upholding white supremacy through politics and motherhood. They reflect on the disorienting state of current events, the importance of local action, and the influence of female political figures like Krisit Noem, Pam Bondi, and Joni Ernst. The episode primarily focuses on the book 'Mothers of Massive Resistance' by Elizabeth Gillespie McCray, which explores how white women have consistently contributed to segregation and racism in America. The hosts highlight their disillusionment with the political system and express the need to understand historical patterns to effectively combat ongoing inequalities.00:00 Welcome to Dirty Laundry00:46 Life in a Dissociative State01:39 Trump's Women and Media Overload04:12 Commercials and Political Ads07:16 Trump's Surgeon General Nominee Controversy14:36 The Importance of Science and Research20:24 Influencers and Misinformation20:53 Marketing Manipulation and Grifters21:20 Political Commentary on Joni Ernst25:40 The Role of Motherhood in Politics27:26 Plant Research and Mutual Aid29:11 Introduction to 'Mothers of Massive Resistance'30:33 White Women's Role in White Supremacy43:42 Call to Action and Future Plans