EMDR Now, Then, and Tomorrow: Interview with Roy Kiessling

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger's conversation with Sandra Paulsen. Yes, THE Sandra Paulsen. The author of some of your favorite books for trauma related dissociation treatment and several popular EMDR texts. Some of her work includes When There Are no Words, Looking Through the Eyes of Trauma and Dissociation, Neurobiology and Treatment of Traumatic Dissociation, and her most recent works, We’re Listening Body, and Indigenous Trauma and Dissociation. — For those of you who don’t know Sandra, she is a clinical and consulting psychologist who has used EMDR and ego state therapy to help many trauma survivors heal for over thirty years. She uses the early trauma approach of EMDR in combination with somatic methods, an intuitive understanding of traumatic reenactment experience, and ego state work to transform and repair trauma held in implicit memory. In this conversation, Sandra shares about her experience in developing NEST, N - E - S - T - an integrated and systematic means to identify and address obstacles to the therapeutic repair of the effects of trauma.  "N" represents the neuroaffective foundations of our understanding and treatment of trauma, including the Early Trauma approach of EMDR.  These foundations are inspired by the seminal contributions of Panksepp, Porges, Schore, and many more. Additionally, Sandra uses technologies such as LENS Neurofeedback, TouchPoints, and AlphaStim where indicated to assist in healing work.  "E" stands for the emphasis on Embodiment that emerges from utilizing somatic therapeutic interventions to repair somatic dissociation and other bodily and energetic holdings that result from trauma in infancy and beyond. "S" represents the system of ego states, which she addresses with Ego State Therapy, seeking to mitigate the protective functions of those states that interfere with working with other hurt child aspects of the self that were disowned for survival.  Subsequently, we mediate internal conflicts and orient forsaken aspects of self to present circumstances and more. "T" signifies that the approach is a therapy consistent with the core reparative process of Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) Therapy.  Sandra is known for her integration of the above therapies in a systematic way tailored to the needs of the individual. Sandra has many resources available for therapists as well as some workshops on NEST so if you’re interested, head over to paulsenpsychology.com to find out more. Before we dive into the episode, we just wanted to share a few of the upcoming training opportunities happening in the institute. Relevant to this episode actually, Jen and I will be doing another SIP II training in Healing the Fragmented self where we connect the basic principles of SIP including the venn diagram and intersubjectivity into how the self is formed throughout development and how it can become fragmented into self states. We also have a couple more workshops that we’re doing in January which includes Offering Healing Intensives, where Jen and I will share our approach to setting up and facilitating EMDR retreats as well as intensives in EMDR therapy. Then Melissa will be doing a workshop on nature based resourcing where she will introduce you to a way of using nature-based resources during Phase 2 of EMDR therapy, focusing on fostering a secure attachment to the natural world. Participants will explore how the four elements—earth, water, fire, and air—can be integrated into therapeutic practice to provide grounding, safety, and connection for clients. If you’re interested in any or all of these things, head over to our website at connectbeyondhealing.com and click on the for therapists tab. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger's discussion on ending therapy. This conversation is a part of Notice That's Back to Basics series where the hosts work through Francine Shapiro's Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) Therapy: Basic Principles, Protocols, and Procedures, now in its third edition. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger discuss Reevaluation in the standard 8-phase protocol of EMDR, as well as the three pronged protocol embedded in the adaptive information processing (AIP) model. This conversation is a part of the Back to Basics series where the hosts of Notice That are reading through Francine Shapiro's eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing (EMDR) Therapy: Basic Principles, Protocols, and Procedures (3rd ed.). See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger's conversation with Roy Kiessling about the EMDR processing continuum. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Melissa's conversation with Roy Kiessling. Roy is an EMDRIA-certified trainer and the founder of EMDR Consulting. Trained in EMDR in 1995, Roy grew professionally as one of Francine Shapiro’s training facilitators (1997-2001), then as a senior trainer for her humanitarian organization (2001-2013), and finally as a senior trainer for Francine’s EMDR Institute (2006-2013).Through EMDR Consulting, Roy Kiessling and his team of trainers and coaches have conducted hundreds of EMDRIA-Approved basic EMDR trainings, educated over 10,000 clinicians in the Belief Focused Neurological Approach to EMDR, and taught innovative approaches including extended resourcing and neurological target planning and processing, using his EMDR Processing Continuum: EMD^, EMDr, EMDR.Jen and Melissa got to have this first conversation with Roy to learn a bit about Roy’s journey as well as what he sees as the issues of our time in the EMDR world. In our second conversation, Jen and I got to sit down with Roy to dive a bit deeper into the EMDR Processing Continuum that fluidly attunes the EMDR process to the individuals we’re working with through EMD, EMDr, and EMDR so look for that in forthcoming releases if you’re interested. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger's conversation with Michael Bowers, the Executive Director of EMDRIA. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger reflect on their experience of being therapists when life happens! See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear an interview with Noelle Lynn, therapist, advocate, and researcher specializing in the treatment of ADHD. To learn more about Noelle and the work she's doing, you can find her at EMDRforADHD.com and ADHDcenterofwestmichigan.com. Noelle is also working on a book entitled The EMDR for ADHD Treatment Manual so keep your eyes peeled for its anticipated release. Additionally, check out the ADHD screener from the World Health Organization and consider what benefit it could bring to your practice. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Melissa's conversation with Dr. Jamie Marich on their upcoming book, You Lied to Me About God: A Memoir. If you're interested in finding out more about Jamie's work, you can connect with them at their website, jamiemarich.com. You Lied to Me About God can be purchased online or through Jamie's website. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Listen in to hear Jen and Bridger reflect on the work they've been doing to support couples and families in their EMDR journey. Throughout this episode, the hosts incorporate the Cycle of Repression into the conversation. This model of attachment rupture and repair empowers clients to discover safety in connection by understanding how we fall back on learned strategies to avoid threats and seek safety when we feel unseen. Whether it's doom scrolling, substance use, intimate partner violence, or infidelity, this cycle helps us bring compassionate understanding to our therapy clients. Let's embrace authenticity and healing together!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.