Income Without Limits: Jonathan Shelon on CLIP, Covered Calls, and Monthly Payouts That Work

Tired of choosing between concentration risk and a painful tax bill? Michael sits down with Med Faber from Cambria Investment Management. We break down a smarter option: using a 351 ETF exchange to convert appreciated, concentrated stock positions into a diversified ETF without triggering taxes. Think of it like a 1031 for public equities—contribute eligible positions at launch, receive ETF shares in return, and let the portfolio rebalance inside the tax-efficient ETF wrapper.We walk through:The exact rules that matterWhy your largest position must be under 25% and your top five under 50%Which assets qualify, and why contributions must happen at the seed stage.You’ll hear real examples of prior 351 launches, learn about the upcoming U.S. equal weight fund aimed at breaking the market-cap link, and get a clear timeline: indicate interest, submit holdings, pause trading, transfer positions, and receive ETF shares on day one. We also explain the powerful benefit of multiple cost-basis lots embedded in the ETF, which can make future tax management far more flexible.Along the way, we widen the lens to the current market: elevated U.S. valuations, heavy index concentration in the same handful of megacaps, and a stealth rotation in gold and non-U.S. value strategies. If you’ve been meaning to diversify but taxes keep you stuck, this is the actionable path. Advisors will find a field guide for client conversations—simple analogies that land, common custodian workflows, and prospecting angles for executives, VC distributions, and direct indexing portfolios.#LeadLagLive  #Cambria #USEW  #IncomeInvesting #Markets #InvestingStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V  Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive. Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Jonathan Shelon, Chief Operating Officer at KraneShares, to unpack how the firm’s CLIP ETF delivers monthly income and international diversification — without giving up growth.With covered call strategies back in focus, Jonathan explains why China’s tech sector provides more volatility (and therefore more income potential) than traditional U.S. covered call ETFs, and how advisors are blending CLIP with core equity or income portfolios.In this episode:– Why CLIP’s monthly distributions stand out from U.S. covered call ETFs– How volatility can be a benefit, not a risk, for income investors– The mechanics behind generating 2% monthly payouts– How CLIP complements both equity and fixed-income allocations– Why KraneShares sees long-term growth in combining KWEB and CLIPLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.#LeadLagLive  #KraneShares #CLIP  #IncomeInvesting #Markets #InvestingStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Sam Nofsinger, General Manager of Brokerage at Public, to discuss how the company’s new direct indexing feature is bringing institutional investing tools to everyday investors.For the first time, investors can build their own index, own every underlying stock, and optimize for taxes with just $1,000 minimum. Sam explains how fractional shares, automation, and tax-loss harvesting are transforming what used to be a high-net-worth strategy into something anyone can use.In this episode:– What direct indexing is and how it differs from ETFs and mutual funds– Why customization and tax-loss harvesting matter for long-term returns– How Public’s technology makes personalized portfolios accessible to everyone– How fractional shares broke down the biggest barriers to entry– Why the future of investing is personal, automated, and tax-efficientLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.#LeadLagLive  #Public #DirectIndexing #Investing #WealthManagementStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V Support the show

In this Lead Lag Live webinar, Michael Gayed sits down with Jay Hatfield, CEO of Infrastructure Capital Advisors, to break down the current macro landscape, why inflation fears may be overblown, and where the biggest investment opportunities lie as we enter a new market phase.Topics Covered:Why small caps could surge as rate cuts beginThe truth about inflation, the BLS data lag, and money supplyOutlook for the bond market, preferreds, and high-yield creditHow active management can outperform in a cutting cycleWhy “bubbles” might actually be good for investorsSubscribe for more expert market insights and live webinars#FedCuts #Inflation #StockMarket #Investing #JayHatfield #LeadLagLive #InterestRates #Finance #Economy #SmallCaps #Bonds #PreferredStocksStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V  Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive. Foodies unite…with HowUdish!It’s social media with a secret sauce: FOOD! The world’s first network for food enthusiasts. HowUdish connects foodies across the world!Share kitchen tips and recipe hacks. Discover hidden gem food joints and street food. Find foodies like you, connect, chat and organize meet-ups!HowUdish makes it simple to connect through food anywhere in the world.So, how do YOU dish? Download HowUdish on the Apple App Store today: Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Jay Hatfield, CEO of Infrastructure Capital Advisors, to cut through the noise on the Fed, energy markets, and how investors can prepare for the next phase of the cycle.From the AI-driven power boom to small-cap rotation and bond opportunities, Jay shares why the Fed’s reliance on lagging data could be investors’ biggest advantage — and where long-term value is hiding in plain sight.In this episode:– Why the AI build-out could make natural gas the next big winner– How money supply leads inflation, interest rates, and Fed policy– The “Hatfield Rule” for predicting recessions through housing data– Where small-cap and income investors should be allocating now– Why rotation away from mega-cap tech is already starting to unfoldLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.#LeadLagLive #InfrastructureCapital #Fed #InterestRates #NaturalGas #Energy #Markets #InvestingStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Si Katara, Founder and CEO of Tap Alpha, to explore how zero-day options are reshaping income investing for everyday investors.From engineering background to ETF innovation, Katara shares how Tap Alpha’s TSPY ETF delivers daily option overlays on the S&P 500 — capturing upside while generating consistent, tax-efficient income in any market environment.In this episode:– Why traditional income products no longer work for investors today– How zero-day options can mitigate risk and boost returns– The math behind daily vs. monthly covered call strategies– Why ETFs solve tax inefficiencies in options-based income– How Tap Alpha is bridging Wall Street strategies for Main Street investorsLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.#LeadLagLive #TapAlpha #ETFs #OptionsInvesting #ZeroDTE  #MarketsStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Ross Atefi, Founder and Wealth Advisor at Yatra Wealth Design, to break down why he believes the market is more fragile than headlines suggest.From AI mania to the quiet collapse in housing and jobs data, Ross explains how extreme concentration and stretched valuations have set up an environment that echoes the late ’90s bubble — and what investors need to watch next.In this episode:– Why the S&P 500’s “diversification” is a dangerous illusion– How AI spending is draining the cash that used to reward shareholders– The warning signals in housing and employment data– Why money supply matters more than Fed rhetoric when it comes to inflation– The $500K–$600K tax trap created by the “one big, beautiful bill” and how to avoid itLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.#LeadLagLive #Markets #Investing #AI #TaxPlanning #HousingMarket #JobsDataStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Derek Yan, CFA and Senior Investment Strategist at KraneShares, to cut through the noise surrounding the AI “bubble” narrative and unpack where the true opportunity still lies.From infrastructure shortages and the rise of reasoning models to the challenge of accessing private AI leaders, Derek shares why the current cycle is still in its infancy and how investors can capture the next phase of growth.In this episode:– Why AI demand is outpacing computing capacity worldwide– How reasoning models are reshaping the AI investment landscape– Why the Magnificent 7 alone won’t capture the AI revolution– The importance of balancing infrastructure vs application exposure– How A-GIX connects investors to both public and private AI leadersLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.#LeadLagLive #KraneShares  #AI #Markets #TechStocks #AGIXStart your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V Support the show

In this episode of Lead-Lag Live, I sit down with Ethan Penner — independent candidate for California governor and a trailblazer in U.S. commercial real-estate finance — to break down what he calls the “collapse of competent governance” in California.From a radical tax overhaul to fixing housing and energy costs, Penner outlines how he’d reverse decades of political decay — and why he believes Gavin Newsom’s policies have left the state weaker, poorer, and more divided.In this episode:– Why Penner says there’s “absolutely nothing” worth continuing from Newsom’s tenure– How a single-tax system could revitalize California’s economy– The real drivers of the housing and affordability crisis– How bureaucratic red tape adds $100K+ to every new apartment build– Why leadership grounded in empathy and business discipline matters now more than everLead-Lag Live brings you inside conversations with the financial thinkers who shape markets. Subscribe for interviews that go deeper than the noise.Start your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V  Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive. Support the show

Imagine the internet’s 20-year curve compressed into a few years: costs plummet, capabilities skyrocket, and adoption leaps from novelty to necessity. That’s where AI stands today. In this episode, we go deep into the evolution of reasoning models—how chatbots are transforming into agents that plan, code, and act across real workflows. Then, we explore the next frontier: physical AI, humanoid robots designed to operate in human spaces, where the “final mile” of automation requires hands, balance, and judgment.We break down the full AI stack so you can invest with intent:Digital AI: From semiconductors and data centers to secure data infrastructure, code generation, and multimodal systems connecting perception to action.Physical AI: Humanoid ecosystems, including integrators, brains, and bodies. We explain why actuators, harmonic drives, tactile sensors, and manufacturing clusters are today’s critical picks-and-shovels plays.Investment insights: U.S. leadership in intelligence and commercialization vs. Asia’s manufacturing depth, hype vs. investable opportunities, and a practical portfolio approach balancing concentrated and globally distributed AI exposure. #AI #ArtificialIntelligence #HumanoidRobots #MachineLearning #AgenticAI Start your adventure with TableTalk Friday: A D&D Podcast at the link below or wherever you get your podcasts!Youtube: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgB6B-mAeWlPM9KzGJ2O4cU0-m5lO0lkr&si=W_-jLsiREjyAIgEsSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/75YJ921WGQqUtwxRT71UQB?si=4R6kaAYOTtO2V  Sign up to The Lead-Lag Report on Substack and get 30% off the annual subscription today by visiting http://theleadlag.report/leadlaglive. Foodies unite…with HowUdish!It’s social media with a secret sauce: FOOD! The world’s first network for food enthusiasts. HowUdish connects foodies across the world!Share kitchen tips and recipe hacks. Discover hidden gem food joints and street food. Find foodies like you, connect, chat and organize meet-ups!HowUdish makes it simple to connect through food anywhere in the world.So, how do YOU dish? Download HowUdish on the Apple App Store today: Support the show