S3 E5: Empathy (ft Marie-Claire Springham)

Ilyas and Shy, influenced by Shy's bathroom mirror, explore the concept of having multiple souls. Whilst exploring their differing "ruling souls," the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Lockdowns, Michael Jackson, Identity and the Poetry of Fernando Pessoa.

Ilyas and Shy explore Patience; how patient they are, if its innate, and if it's really that important. Whilst becoming increasingly impatient with each other, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Babies, Anger, the Jungle and Mental Health.

Ilyas and Shy, saddened by the passing of Ben Okri, explore whether or not they actively eschew understanding aspects of their lives in order to maintain their sanity. Whilst trying to define the word eschewing, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Natural Selection, Wisdom, Love and Mental Health. **It has since been made clear to us by Ben Okri himself, that he is much very much alive and well**

Ilyas and Shy discuss Postel's Law, exploring the function and nature of Judgement. Whilst judging each other's actions, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Survival, Forgiveness, Technology and Friendship.

Ilyas and Shy discuss Freedom; if we can attain it, if we need it, and what it really is. Whilst constrained by the recording equipment, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Boundaries, Solitude, Meditation and Physics.

Ilyas and Shy are invited to Amsterdam, home of the notorious Marie-Claire Springham. Whilst discussing her extraordinary attempts to encourage male breast feeding, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Empathy, Love, Parenting, and the deliciousness of testosterone filled libations.

Ilyas and Shy discuss whether or not society has been interacting with God in the same way for centuries. Whilst debating if religion and spirituality is in need of some innovation, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Truth, Poetry, Technology and Absolution.

Ilyas and Shy are invited to Kidderminster, home of the UK Flat Earth Conference 2019. Whilst taking advantage of the free bar, they interview Mark Sargent (self-professed Head of the Flat Earth Movement) and attempt to ascertain if he really doesn’t adhere to the communal belief that we all live on a spinning ball, floating in space. Lacking the tools to check Mark’s complex mathematics, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Gravity, Belief, Education and the Matrix.

Shy posits his theory on Envy, while Ilyas, envious of his wisdom, ridicules it. Whilst their envy of each other grows, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Jealously, Creativity, Altruism, and Ambition.

Ilyas and Shy examine whether the way in which we die affects the quality of our rebirth and subsequently our next life. Whilst Ilyas debates with himself how he died in his past life, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Dreams, Octopus Consciousness, Parenting and Sexual Harassment.