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23 Parking Spots, 5 Churches, 40 Years: Why This Pastor Never Built Bigger | Scott Rivley

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A church with 23 parking spots loses a bid on the one piece of land that could have made it bigger. Instead of trying again, the pastor starts giving people away.

Scott Rivley has been at the same church in West Linn, Oregon for 40 years. He arrived as a seminary student from Montana who got called to ministry while watching a bad TV game show, moved into a basement apartment that turned out to have a deck overlooking Mount Hood for $75 a month, and walked to the nearest church that first Sunday. He never left. What started as West Lynn Baptist Church is now New Life Church: five congregations across West Linn, Wilsonville, Gladstone, and Oregon City, including a Spanish-speaking congregation and an adopted church that asked to be taken in.

None of it happened at mega-church scale. Scott sent 40 people under 40 to plant Oregon City. His elders volunteered to be the first launch team. He gave his son a "restricted headhunting license" to recruit. The whole philosophy is built on the idea that not everybody gets a combine harvester: some people get a sickle, and you just have to say "let's go."

This conversation covers lead measures vs. lag measures, why the bottleneck is always at the top, and what it takes to build something that doesn't depend on you.

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