In The Low: Navigating Depression (with Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson)

What if the very traits that got you hooked on porn—curiosity, childlike wonder, and awe—are actually keys to your freedom? As Jason Mellard explains, these qualities aren't bad; they are simply waiting to be reclaimed and redeemed. You'll learn about observation vs. obsession, building with vision vs. escaping into fantasy, and appreciating beauty vs. idolizing it...Bonus: Stay tuned for a spontaneous musical moment where Jason inspires Drew to burst into song—belting out lyrics from The Greatest Showman and sharing how it shaped his imagination for Husband Material.Jason Mellard is the founder of Own Your Identity, where he empowers men experiencing unwanted same-sex attraction to live the life they truly desire. Jason is a Certified High Performance Coach and Certified Husband Material Coach. He has experienced sexual abuse, same-sex attraction, and freedom from porn. Jason is committed to helping men live beyond their unwanted attractions and negative habits into a life of purpose and possibility through the power of Christ and for the glory of God.Listen to Jason's podcast, Own Your Identity, where he provides practical tools to bring clarity and hope to men navigating unwanted same-sex attraction.Jason is also the creator of SSAquiz.com. Take the quiz to discover how much same-sex attraction is impacting your life.Learn more about Jason at ownyouridentitynow.com.Register now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

What exactly is a glimmer? Why do glimmers matter for outgrowing porn? Learn 3 ways to get the most out of your glimmers—maximizing moments of joy, peace, and connection. Related episodes:Porn and Polyvagal Theory (with John Kilmer) Play, Awe, & Porn Addiction: A Polyvagal Perspective Register now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

Where is God when we suffer? How does grief intensify sexual temptation? Why do we need to "run toward the roar" of triggers and traumas instead of avoiding them? Hear Davey Blackburn tell the heartbreaking story of how his wife of 7 years was murdered in their home during a break-in, leaving him as a single father to their 15-month-old son. Davey also describes how God has begun to write a beautiful redemption story of healing, forgiveness, and purpose where "nothing is wasted."Davey Blackburn (and his wife Kristi) founded Nothing is Wasted Ministries to help people partner with God to take back their story. Learn more at nothingiswasted.comStart here: nothingiswasted.com/starthereBuy Davey's book:Nothing Is Wasted: A True Story of Hope, Forgiveness, and Finding Purpose in Pain. Listen to Davey's podcast: nothingiswasted.com/podcastAre you a widower? Check out refugewidowers.comRegister now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

What if the desires you've been suppressing are not bad, but simply underdeveloped? In this episode, Jay Stringer explores five core longings that drive us—and why we need to welcome them rather than try to conquer them or shut them down. You'll hear how desire is shaped by childhood experiences, pornography, and other forces—as well as how desire can be reshaped and resurrected.Jay Stringer is a licensed mental health counselor, researcher, and speaker who helps people uncover the unexpected meaning hidden in life’s hardest challenges. He is the award-winning author of Unwanted: How Sexual Brokenness Reveals Our Way to Healing and lives in New York City with his wife, Heather, and their two children. Learn more at jay-stringer.comBuy Jay's new book:Desire: The Longings Inside Us and the New Science of How We Love, Heal, and GrowGuest interviews do not constitute an endorsement. We encourage discernment—grab what's good, drop the rest.Register now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

What is redemptive risk? Why is it essential for healing and outgrowing porn? In this episode, you'll learn why and how to embrace redemptive risk, the difference between dirty pain and clean pain, and three steps to consider as you discern your next redemptive risk:Start with "why"Count the costOwn your strengthWhat redemptive risk(s) are you currently taking? Let us know in the Husband Material Community!Register now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

Men need men. In this episode, Tom Zuniga champions the value of brotherhood and "chosen family"—especially in a culture where romantic marriage seems like the only place where intimacy is possible. Tom shares his story of growing up feeling lonely and different, experiencing same-sex attraction, and discovering the beauty of following Jesus in community with other men.Tom Zuniga is the Director of Your Other Brothers, a community where Christian men are navigating matters of faith, sexuality, and masculinity. Together. Check out their blogs and podcasts, or explore their retreats and other community offerings at yourotherbrothers.orgLearn more about the overarching nonprofit ministry of Your Other Family at yourotherfamily.org, as well as their new women’s community of Your Other Sisters at yourothersisters.orgHear Tom Zuniga interview Drew Boa at https://yourotherbrothers.org/convocast/yob-convocast-104-tom-amp-drew-boa-outgrow-porn-examine-fetishes-and-do-inner-child-workConnect with Tom at thomasmarkz.comDisclaimer: Tom and Your Other Family offer valuable perspectives and wonderful resources, and we're honored to introduce them to you. As with any content, we encourage you to take what helps you grow and leave the rest behind.Register now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

In this episode, longtime friend of the podcast and author Sathiya Sam shares why porn recovery can literally save lives, what true freedom looks like (eternal, internal, and external) and practical advice on how to find purpose beyond porn.Sathiya Sam, founder of Deep Clean Coaching, helps men overcome pornography addiction, inspired by his own 15-year journey. Author of The Last Relapse and host of The Man Within, he has guided thousands of men to freedom. Learn more at sathiyasam.comTo celebrate 10 years of freedom from porn and 1 million podcast downloads, Sathiya is hosting a giveaway. Enter here: deepcleancoaching.com/giveaway"You don't set people free just so they can say they're free; you set people free so they can fly." —Sathiya SamRegister now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

Do you know what it's like to feel numb, drained, and disconnected? This is the most common precursor to watching porn: the "flop" reaction. In this episode, you'll learn what the flop reaction is, why it's not necessarily bad, and three ways to navigate low-energy moments without crashing into a relapse. Strategy #1: Flop with a purposeStrategy #2: Flop with a friendStrategy #3: Flop with your bodyRegister now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

How does physical fitness support sexual and spiritual health? In this episode, Alex VanHouten describes what it looks like to faithfully care for your body. You'll learn about the twin pitfalls of pride/envy and gluttony/sloth, how working out can help you process emotions and sexual urges, and what fitness is ultimately about: reclaiming the territory of your body for the kingdom of God.Alex VanHouten is an exercise scientist, health coach, and the founder of Faithful Fitness. With over 20 years of experience in fitness coaching, he has empowered individuals to transform their health through intelligent, science-based training, all while grounding his approach in the hope of the gospel. As the host of the Faithful Fitness Podcast and leader of the Faithful Fitness community, Coach Alex provides valuable tools to help people steward their bodies well for God’s glory. Learn more at faithfulfitness.coBuy Alex's new book:Faithful Fitness: A 40-Day Devotional for Christian Health and StewardshipRegister now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!

If you're in a season of depression, darkness, or difficulty, please listen to this episode. Justin McRoberts and Scott Erickson offer deep wisdom on how to welcome all that is within you (yes, even that). This interview is punctuated by powerful poems and prayers for whatever "low" you might be going through.Justin McRoberts is the author of 8 books, including In The Low: Honest Prayers For Dark Seasons. He lives in Martinez, CA and talks with his mom every day. Connect with Justin at justinmcroberts.com or on Instagram @justinmcroberts.Scott Erickson is an artist, author, and performance speaker creating a visual vocabulary for the spiritual journey. Connect with Scott at scottericksonart.com or on Instagram @scottthepainter.Buy Justin and Scott's new book:In The Low: Honest Prayers For Dark SeasonsRegister now for the Husband Material Retreat in Georgia (April 24-27) at husbandmaterial.com/spring-retreatSupport the showTake the Husband Material Journey...Step 1: Listen to this podcast or watch on YouTubeStep 2: Join the private Husband Material CommunityStep 3: Take the free mini-course: How To Outgrow PornStep 4: Try the all-in-one program: Husband Material AcademyThanks for listening!