Episode 523: Webster & Ron and The Lighting Controls Podcast - Get A Grip Finale Part 2 of 6

In this episode, Michael and Greg sit down with Devin Wall, one of the inventive forces behind Louvers International, to unpack the infamous DLC report and the future of lighting standards. 🔥 Highlights: The history of industry pushback against DLC certifications (from mafia skits to cease-and-desist letters). Devin’s hands-on approach: walking the factory floor, designing real solutions, and tackling heritage lighting retrofits. Why many manufacturers see DLC as interference rather than innovation. The bigger picture: global standards, sustainability, interoperability, and whether energy efficiency certifications are even relevant anymore. Anecdotes from the trenches—cheap imports, failing drivers, and the need for real accountability in lighting.   ⚡ This isn’t just another lighting chat—it’s a candid, fiery look at how the industry can move forward with creativity, collaboration, and common sense. 👉 Watch now to hear why Devin Wall might just be the mad scientist lighting needs. Connect with Devin:  www.louversintl.com Instagram - @Louversintl Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/louversinternational Twitter - @louversintl YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/user/800LifesOk LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/devin-wall-22856a15/   Sponsor: Louvers International, louversintl.com, @louversintl

In this, episode 3 of the finale series of Get a Grip on Lighting, Michael Colligan and Greg Ehrich sit down with Mark Baker of the Soft Lights Foundation to trace the journey from the early days of Starving for Darkness to the evolution of Restoring Darkness. They revisit how the pandemic sparked the industry’s first serious conversations about dark skies, Jane Slade’s passionate leadership, and the challenges of keeping the movement alive. Mark Baker shares his personal story, the health impacts tied to LED lighting, and why glare and light pollution remain urgent issues for communities everywhere. 👉 From industry skepticism to advocacy, this episode highlights the fight to recognize light pollution as a true environmental and public health problem—and the role podcasts played in building awareness. Connect with Mark: www.softlights.org Facebook: Soft Lights Foundation - https://www.facebook.com/groups/softlights.org Ban Blinding LEDs - https://www.facebook.com/groups/BanBlindingLEDs Petition to Ban Blinding Headlights: https://www.change.org/p/u-s-dot-ban-blinding-headlights-and-save-lives  Sponsor: Keystone, keystonetech.com

In this episode, hosts Michael and Greg welcome Webster Marsh and Ron Kuszmar from the Lighting Controls Podcast. They reflect on the journey from a chance conversation in late 2021 to building a thriving show with over 120 episodes.✨ Key Highlights: How Webster and Ron went from guest and co-host to paid podcasters. The evolution of lighting controls as a serious industry conversation. Education, collaboration, and breaking down silos across the lighting world. The challenges of proprietary systems, utilities’ influence, and the boom–bust cycle of lighting tech. This episode captures the growth of a podcast that helped reshape how the industry talks about controls—turning closed-door chatter into open, collaborative dialogue.Connect with Webster Marsh: https://www.linkedin.com/in/c-webster-marsh/  Connect with Ron Kuszmar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ron-kuszmar-7a8a3538/  Sponsor: Barron Lighting Group, barronltg.com

Michael and Greg sit down with Scott Griffin to reflect on the journey of creating and producing thousands of podcast episodes.Sponsor: Halco Lighting, halcolighting.com

Adam Chetakian, Co-Founder and Chief Growth Officer at Apprime Lighting, has over 30 years in the game. He, Michael and Greg address the dirty secret behind the LED retrofit world: fixtures that die young and end up in landfills. Adam’s here to flip the script with a patented, tool-less, replaceable light engine that saves time, money, and the planet 🌍.💡 Topics covered: Why LED “efficiency” betrayed fixture longevity The rise of modular, sustainable lighting solutions How Apprime’s tech slashes install time from 10 minutes to 25 seconds The future of circular economy in lighting Why contractors need to “own the fixture location” again 🎯 Whether you're an ESCO, distributor, or sustainability engineer, this episode is your blueprint for reclaiming control and cutting waste. Plus, some spicy takes on Europe’s TM66 rating.👉 Watch now and join the movement to make lighting smarter, longer-lasting, and landfill-free.#LightingRevolution #CircularEconomy #LEDRetrofit #Sustainability #GripLockSystems #GetAGripOnLighting #APPRIMELighting #DLCReform #LightingIndustryConnect with Adam: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/apprime-lighting YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@apprimelighting Apprime Lighting: www.apprimelighting.com  Sponsor: Griplock Systems, griplocksytems.com

Michael Colligan and Greg Ehrich declare a full-blown crisis in the lighting industry’s “right to repair.” From inaccessible drivers screwed into joists to obsolete Cat5 control systems and $300 can lights that can't be fixed, the guys expose the absurdity of modern lighting design. Real-world stories from schools, churches, and health clubs reveal how LED upgrades have turned into long-term liabilities. 💡 Topics Covered: Why customers are buying double fixtures just to stock backups The nightmare of replacing drivers buried in ceilings The rise and fall of Cat5-based lighting controls How “lighting as a service” might actually make sense now The emotional toll of unrepairable lighting systems "You literally have to cut the ceiling out to fix the light." — Michael Colligan Sponsor: Barron Lighting Group, barronltg.com

[Note: This episode contains important visuals. It is recommended to watch the video.] In this explosive episode of Get a Grip on Lighting (previously streamed live), industry lawyer David Radulescu joins Michael and Greg to dissect the legal and ethical challenges facing the DesignLights Consortium (DLC). What started as a podcast turned crusade now confronts the rebate gatekeeper head-on.💥 What’s Inside:• Why DLC’s tax-exempt status may be on shaky ground • The Energy Star exit: is DLC next? • 370,000 listed products—but 15 manufacturers dominate 58% • Opaque vendor relationships, questionable governance, and Article 7 scrutiny • Radulescu’s neutral but razor-sharp legal analysis—30 slides, days of prep, and no punches pulled📉 “The electrons aren’t worth the squeeze.” 📈 “Over 50% of LED revenue goes to certification vendors.” 📎 Watch this if you care about rebates, transparency, and the future of lighting standards.Connect with David:https://www.radip.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/davidradulescu/ 

 In this electrifying episode of Get a Grip on Lighting, we sit down with Tom Kieffer of Service Lighting (aka LightBulbs.com)—a 40-year veteran who's still pushing boundaries and saving clients up to 85% on lighting costs. But this isn't just about retrofits and wattage. It's about honor, innovation, and rebellion. 💡 What’s Inside Tom’s take on why most lighting design is broken—and how to fix it The truth about wall packs (spoiler: “light pukers” 🚫) Why the lighting industry needs to grow a pair and say NO to bad fixtures A fiery debate on DLC, free fixture programs, and market fairness The rise of Starry Skies North and the fight against light pollution How NAILD is leading the charge on darkness restoration education Real talk on lighting distributors, contractors, and who really knows lighting  ⚡️ If you sell light bulbs, install fixtures, or care about the future of lighting—this one’s for you. #LightingIndustry #DarkSky #DLC #LightingDesign #NAILD #GetAGripOnLighting #TomKieffer #LightBulbsDotCom #StarrySkies #LightingReform #PodcastConnect with Tom:lightbulbs.comhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/tomkieffer/[email protected] Sponsor: Satco, satco.com, @satco

Is the DLC a wolf in sheep's clothing? Michael and Greg lay it out. The live stream experienced some technical difficulties, so here it is in full.

🔥 Buckle up for a bold ride through the lighting industry! Mike & Greg give you a brief recap of the Nailed Convention, and challenge the DLC to display their transparency values by inviting them and D+R to speak up on the Get a Grip on Lighting Podcast this Friday.  Plus, you’ll get some classic Mike & Greg banter, including a wild donkey analogy that somehow makes perfect sense. #LightingIndustry #LightingDistribution #TransparencyTalk #IndustryVoices #DLCdebate Connect with Greg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-ehrich-2b375a2/  Connect with Michael: https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-colligan-64380016/