RR009: Leading in the Never Normal with Peter Hinssen, Author

Realities Remixed, formerly know as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.As AI accelerates the shift from networks to ecosystems, organisations face a growing tension between fast‑moving technology and slower, socially driven organisational change. Success in the “Never Normal” will depend less on intelligence itself and more on leadership qualities, judgement, narrative, trust, and the ability to create space for corporate explorers to build the Day After Tomorrow, not just optimise today.This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Peter Hinssen, keynote speaker, author and lecturer and co-founder of nexxworks to explore how leaders navigating through rapid change, focused on transforming uncertainty into opportunities for growth and innovation.. TLDR00:41 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s theme 01:02 – Hangout: Episode 200! 06:25 – Dig in: Deep dive into the pace of change 14:17 – Conversation with Peter Hinssen on adaptive organisations and leadership styles 55:10 – Continuing the conversation about Tech 1:11:20 – Travel to Taiwan, Silicon Valley, and China GuestPeter Hinssen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phinssen/https://www.peterhinssen.com HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

In an era where technological progress reshapes power, security, and prosperity at unprecedented speed, societies face a defining choice: adapt incrementally or reinvent boldly. How can breakthrough and disruptive technologies enable strategic leapfrogging, transforming long‑term ambition into real‑world impact amid a rapidly shifting global landscape.This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Andre Loesekrug-Pietri, Chair and the Scientific Director of the Joint European Disruptive Initiative (JEDI, the European ARPA), to explore the ambition behind and what it would take for Europe to stop reacting to technological change and start shaping it. TLDR00:30 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s conversation01:35 – Team Dig in: Is Europe falling behind on competitiveness?13:52 – Conversation with Andre Loesekrug-Pietri1:00:19 – Traveling to Japan with the French president GuestAndre Loeskrug-Petri: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrepietri/X: @eurojediwww.jedi.foundationHostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.One of the most fundamental challenges in modern computing is the growing hardware–software mismatch. As Moore’s Law slows and performance gains no longer come “for free,” software built on Turing‑era, sequential assumptions struggles to keep pace with today’s highly parallel, heterogeneous hardware. That disconnect is now a central constraint on innovation.This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Peter Richards, advisor and AJ Guillon, founder of YetiWare, to explore why this mismatch persists, what it means for organizations today, and how emerging approaches may redefine the relationship between software and hardware in the years ahead. TLDR00:35 – Introduction01:04 – Hang out: How deep can we go, and what is the history of the compute era?07:00 – Dig in: The power demands of LLMs, data centers, scale, size and potato chips15:35 – Conversation with Peter Richards and AJ Guillon55:31 – Spring cleanup with a chainsaw and cycling GuestPeter Richards: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peter-richards-3b99688/AJ Guillon: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ajguillon/ HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.In a world defined by constant change, leaders must evolve from rigid hierarchies to emotionally intelligent, empowering leadership. By fostering adaptability, continuous learning, distributed leadership, and a culture of curiosity, organisations become better equipped to navigate technological disruptions, such as AI, with resilience and innovation.This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Jana Werner and Phil Le-Brun, Executives in Residence at AWS to explore what it really takes for organisations to thrive in a world of continuous transformation, and why rigid hierarchies, control, and over-designed change programmes so often get in the way.  TLDR00:42 – Guest introduction and overview of this week’s theme01:26 – Team dig-in: A new cycle of change is on it's way19:27 – In‑depth conversation with Jana and Phil57:37 – Octopus playlist and case study highlights GuestJana Werner: https://www.linkedin.com/in/janawerner1/Phil Le-Brun: https://www.linkedin.com/in/phillebrun/https://www.theoctopusorganization.com/ A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.Technology and AI are rapidly transforming marketing, challenging old assumptions and shifting the focus toward analytics‑driven precision, smarter segmentation, and multimodal content. As attention becomes harder to capture and creative workflows evolve, the real advantage lies in adapting for an AI‑first environment, especially by rethinking overlooked segments like the mid‑market and being far more specific in strategy and execution. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Carlos Corredor, founder and CEO of Condor, to discuss the difference between value metrics and vanity metrics in modern marketing and why many organisations still struggle to connect marketing activity to real business results. TLDR00:32 – Introduction00:59 – Hang out: Staying healthy06:10 – Dig in: The valuable to measure with metrics17:52 – Conversation with Carlos Corredor47:15 – Looking ahead to the World Cup football GuestCarlos Corredor: https://www.linkedin.com/in/carlos-corredor-condor/HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly know nas Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.After years of remote‑first work built on swift trust, companies are asking a harder question: what does a organization really stand for when people rarely show up together? As AI accelerates change, leaders are rethinking presence, team design, and collaboration to fuel trust, innovation, and growth. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Dr. Tim Currie, disruptor, author, innovator, and advisor, to examine transformation versus trust, the role of AI, and whether organisations can truly build culture without deeper human connection. TLDR00:42– Introduction01:10 –  Hang out: New film releases07:17 – Dig in: The trust gap in remote work17:57 – Conversation with Dr. Tim Currie54:07 – The Wizard of Oz at the Sphere in Las Vegas and staying connected GuestDr. Tim Currie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-tim-currie-37756a/Book Swift Trust: https://swifttrustbook.com/HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry and tech.Business messaging is transforming customer engagement by enabling brands to move conversations into familiar, always‑on messaging platforms. The result for customers is greater convenience, quicker resolutions, and more meaningful, personalized interactions. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by Kathleen Tandy, Global Director and Head of Business Messaging Marketing and WhatsApp for Business at Meta , to explore how companies are using messaging platforms to engage customers, what customers expect from these experiences, and the challenges of scaling messaging in tech.TLDR00:35 – Introduction01:00 –  Hang out: The new Remarkable05:25 – Dig in: Using messaging to enhance customer experiences20:49 – Conversation with Kathleen Tandy55:26 – The passion for college football and championship weekend!GuestKathleen Tandy: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kptandy/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, industry, and tech. Energy transportation is a deeply local business, safely delivering gas and electricity, more and more from renewable sources, directly to the communities it serves. Technology and AI help make that possible by strengthening safety, bringing companies closer to customers, and enabling teams to build the future together. This week, Dave, Esmee, and Rob are joined by John Koerwer, CIO of UGI Corporation, to explore explore why “the business” and tech still struggle to speak the same language, nd what helps close the gap.TLDR00:35 – Introduction01:17 – Hang out: new toys and coffee07:55 – Dig in: the business - tech divide21:07 – Conversation with John Koerwer59:40 – The amazing AI technology in The Sphere's version of The Wizard of OzGuestJohn Koerwer: https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-koerwer-46102127/HostsDave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

Realities Remixed, formerly known as Cloud Realities, launches a new season exploring the intersection of people, culture, and tech. Hosts Dave Chapman, Esmee van de Giessen, and Rob Kernahan unpack 2026’s defining trends, from AI and sovereignty to adaptability and automation, offering fresh insight, candid reflections, and forward‑looking conversations shaping the year ahead. TLDR00:20 – Introduction of Realities Remixed02:30 – Why the show evolved?04:50 – Dig in with the team: Predictions for 202606:40 – Macro trends13:00 – Sovereignty 17:40 – Agentic AI22:17 – Human–AI interaction26:06 – Cloud trends30:42 – AI scaling, domain‑specific models35:03 – Adoption lag39:34 – Physical AI43:47 – Quantum computing48:21 – Hardware acceleration50:30 – Cybersecurity52:38 – Season outlook HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini

On Cloud Realities, the real insight rarely came from technology alone, it emerged at the intersection of People, Culture, Industry, and Technology. In the remix we bring back familiar voices and topics while going deeper into the wider impacts, influence, and potential of today’s tech across society. The 2026 season trailer, arriving a little later than planned, opens with this renewed focus and sets the stage for Episode 1, launching on February 19. Here’s a quick trailer to get you ready!TLDR00:11 The emergence of insight from Cloud Realities01:00  Where the magic happens 01:42 The real impact on People, Culture, Industry and Tech HostsDave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/Esmee van de Giessen:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/esmeevandegiessen/Rob Kernahan:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-kernahan/ProductionMarcel van der Burg:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcel-vd-burg/Dave Chapman:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/chapmandr/ SoundBen Corbett:  https://www.linkedin.com/in/ben-corbett-3b6a11135/Louis Corbett:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/louis-corbett-087250264/ 'Realities Remixed' is an original podcast from Capgemini