The Human Heart Wasn't Built for Notoriety: Handling the Spotlight w/ Ellie Holcomb

"The human heart wasn't built for notoriety."  That’s what counselor Al Andrews told Drew Holcomb after 20 years of working with musicians. For Ellie, this truth became painfully real.  Ellie Gets Real About:  The terrifying thought that hit her during a sold-out show  How crowds can become weapons against those closest to you  You'll Discover:  Al Andrews' game-changing insight about recognition and the human heart  The simple weekly habit her dad practiced before every service to keep his heart grounded and free from pride The dangerous comparison trap that success can create  How to be authentic without losing your sacred space  Essential for Anyone Who’s Felt:  The weight of being watched in ministry  Torn between public recognition and private relationships  Pressure to have it all together on stage  All this leads to a question we have for you: How do you protect your heart in the spotlight?  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Ellie’s New Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN. 

What if there's a biblical practice many of us dismissively chuckle about, that could actually strengthen your leadership and protect your team? In this revealing conversation with CXMMXNS songwriters Reuben Morgan and Ben Fielding, we uncover a spiritual discipline that the Western church has largely abandoned. While most leaders are grinding harder and pushing through, Reuben and Ben share what they've discovered about a counterintuitive approach that's helping them steward songs reaching millions while staying grounded in local church ministry.  From the hidden traps of ministry success to the ancient church rhythms we've forgotten, this conversation will challenge your assumptions about productivity, spiritual maturity, and what it really means to follow Jesus' model of leadership.  This episode might make you rethink your entire approach to sustainable ministry.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  New Release from CXMMXNS  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN.

Ever feel like you're juggling a million things as a worship leader and wondering how to make it all sustainable?  Paul & Hannah McClure share their journey of leading worship at Bethel for eight years while balancing touring, family, and team leadership. They get real about the moment Paul stepped down—not from burnout, but from wisdom.  Paul unpacks how they shifted from trying to be the answer for everyone to building a pastoral care system that actually works, and why "ministry is a marathon, not a sprint" changed everything.  Here's what they learned: Passionate leaders don't have to choose between impact and longevity. The best leaders create systems that multiply their influence while protecting what matters most.  Ready to build a ministry that thrives for decades? This conversation is packed with practical wisdom for the long haul.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Paul & Hannah’s New Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN. 

Bryan and Katie Torwalt get vulnerable about the tension between natural gifting and discipline, sharing how easy it is to coast on talent instead of truly stewarding what God has given us.   This honest conversation explores the difference between feeling productive and being fruitful, and how discipline in unexpected areas can transform your creativity and ministry.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Bryan & Katie Torwalt’s New Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN.   

Ever feel like you’re more valued for what you do than who you are? Like you’re just a commodity in your local church?  You’re not alone. And honestly—that experience can be incredibly disheartening. Sure, we’d love for leaders to change, but that’s not always realistic. Sometimes the responsibility is on us.  In this conversation, Christy Nockels shares the identity shift that transformed her ministry from burnout to breakthrough. She unpacks:  The “beautiful order” she was getting wrong that led to exhaustion  What led her to feel like a commodity instead of a carrier of God’s presence  What it means to be a modern Levite in today’s church  Here’s the truth: If the primary message you’re hearing is “your value is your gifting,” that’s what you’ll believe. The question is—what are you doing to change that?  Ready to change the soundtrack? This conversation is all about exactly that.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Christy’s New Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN. 

What if the way you structure your worship sets could actually shape how people relate to God?  In this powerful conversation, Brooke Ligertwood reveals the biblical framework she uses for every worship set—whether she's leading at a massive conference or in a tent with a modest sound system.  You'll discover:   The 5-part worship arc that creates "access points" for every person in your congregation   Why songs of "high praise" are more transformative than experience-focused songs   How to pick songs based on your team's actual skill level (not just what sounds good)   The difference between leading from personal experience vs. serving what God is doing in your community   Whether you're leading in a cathedral or a coffee shop, this episode will transform how you approach worship leading and setlist creation.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Brooke’s Newest Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN. 

What if the greatest worship leaders aren't the ones with the best voices?  Dan Dean from Phillips, Craig & Dean drops a truth bomb that will change how you think about worship leadership forever. After 50 years in ministry—20 as a worship pastor, decades as lead pastor—Dan reveals why the most impactful worship leaders often step back instead of stepping up.  In this episode, you'll discover:   Why "doing it all yourself" actually weakens your team   The Bill Gaither principle for spotting hidden talent in your church   How Dan's son leads worship by sitting in the front row (genius move)   When to sacrifice your "excellence standard" to develop others   The leadership mistake that destroys worship teams  If you've ever felt like it's easier to "just do it yourself" or wondered how to pull the gifts out of your team members, this conversation will completely shift your leadership approach.  The real question isn't whether you can lead worship—it's whether you can develop worship leaders.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Dan Dean’s New Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN.

Ever felt that nudge to reach out to someone, share something, or take a step that seemed a little crazy? Most of us ignore those promptings. But what if you didn't?   In this episode, we sit down with The Heritage—a worship team from a small South Carolina church whose obedience to a simple prompting changed everything. From writing songs in their church basement to getting a text from Chris Tomlin, their story will challenge how you think about divine timing, faithfulness, and what God can do through ordinary obedience.  You'll hear about:  The dog breeder who wouldn't take no for an answer  Why sometimes your lowest moments are when breakthrough comes  How staying connected to your local church opened doors they never imagined  What it's like navigating sudden opportunities while staying grounded  If you've ever wondered whether that prompting you feel is worth following, this conversation will give you the courage to say yes—even when you can't see the outcome.   Listen now and discover what's possible when you stop second-guessing and start stepping out.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode The Heritage’s New Album  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN. 

What if the hardest season of your life was actually preparing you to lead at a level you didn't know was in you?  In this vulnerable conversation, Jon opens up about the "fear chatter" that had been stealing his mental space, why he started removing people from his inner circle, and how walking through crisis taught him what authentic care actually looks like.  You'll hear his simple but game-changing filter for every worship moment, and why leading through your own brokenness might be the key to reaching others in theirs.  If you've ever wondered how to lead with genuine depth instead of surface-level enthusiasm, this conversation will shift how you think about leadership, vulnerability, and what it means to truly serve the room you're called to lead.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Jon Reddick’s Recent Release  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN.   

What does it really take to grow from playing in the local church to touring arenas with some of the biggest names in Christian music?  Daniel Jones has walked that exact journey. Over the past 10 years, he's played drums for For King & Country, Brooke Ligertwood, Rend Collective, David Leonard, JUDAH., and Andrew Ripp.  In this conversation, Daniel gets brutally honest about the lessons he learned the hard way - from dealing with the pressure of arena stages to discovering what consistency really means, from learning to trust his teammates to finding the balance between confidence and ego.  If you've ever felt like you're not ready for the next level, or struggled with self-doubt about your playing, this episode will give you the roadmap Daniel wishes he'd had starting out.  What You'll Learn:  Why "you don't walk into a role ready to go - you gotta grow in it"  The difference between playing in church vs. playing arenas (and what it taught him about consistency)  How to identify what you need to work on without destroying your confidence in the process  Whether you're playing in a church or dreaming of bigger stages, Daniel's journey will show you exactly what to focus on and how to grow in your craft without losing yourself in the process.  Worship Online is your new secret weapon for preparing each week. With detailed song tutorials and resources, you and your team will save hours every single week, and remove the stress from preparing for a set. Try a free trial at WorshipOnline.com and see the transformation!   Mentioned in the Episode  Daniel Jones’ IG  ---  If you like what you hear, please leave us a review! Also, shoot us an e-mail at [email protected]. We want to know how we can better serve you and your church through this podcast.  Don’t forget to sign up for your FREE 2-week subscription to Worship Online at WorshipOnline.com!  The Worship Online Podcast is produced by Worship Online in Nashville, TN.