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Season finale.TCB will be back in October.  This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark. With additional research by Michelle Tooker, Shana Wilensky, and Jordan Taylor.Sources include:• KARK.com• 4029TV.com• The Northwest Arkansas Democrat GazetteSPONSORS:• Factor: 50% poff and free breakfast for a year. • Quince: Free shipping and 265-day returns. • BetterHelp: Get 10% off. • HelloFresh: Get 10 free meals and a free zwilling knife.This episode was made possible by the following Patreon producers:Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, Sara Cee, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Virginia Williams, Carrie, Jeff, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Melissa Tracchia, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Troccola, TrixieTo support the investigation, go to www.patreon.com/studiobothandThis episode included music by:Whithe, Sero, LaBon, and Sergey CheremisinovWith featured music by: Sigur RosBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

Josh makes an announcement about this season and next season of the show. Then shares the entire 3/17/2012 interview between Keyes and the Texas Rangers.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

On November 29, 2012, Keyes gave what would be his final FBI interview. It is one of his most revealing, both in his candor about his crimes and in his tells and contradictions. In this interview, Keyes discusses Crescent Lake, four Washington victims, Tupper Lake, blood found on his boat, knives he used in murders, maps found in his Constable house, and more. There are also some very interesting conversations surrounding items found at the Constable house, and further evidence that there was a New Hampshire cache trip after the Curriers.SPONSORS:HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/tcbs10fm to get 10 free meals + a FREE Zwilling Knife (a $144.99 value) on your third box.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

On November 29, 2012, Keyes gave what would be his final FBI interview. It is one of his most revealing, both in his candor about his crimes and in his tells and contradictions. In this interview, Keyes discusses Crescent Lake, four Washington victims, Tupper Lake, blood found on his boat, knives he used in murders, maps found in his Constable house, and more. There are also some very interesting conversations surrounding items found at the Constable house, and further evidence that there was a New Hampshire cache trip after the Curriers.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

The team returns to Texas to look at a case, which Jordan has been following for four years, that involves a suspicious death, an arson, and an abandoned house. And this case may just shed light on some of Keyes's odder travels and some new and unsettling information on the Azle bank robbery.This episode was written, researched, and produced by Jordan Taylor. With editing and writing by Josh Hallmark. Additional research assistance by: Michelle Tooker.  TROVA TRIP TO COSTA RICA:https://trovatrip.com/trip/central-america/costa-rica/costa-rica-with-josh-hallmark-nov-2026PATREONThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  SPONSORS:• Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50off• Quince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBS• Uncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCB• BetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBSOURCES• Houston Police Department Casefile, Case #030249612• FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/12/12• Harris County Office of Forensic Sciences Report 12-0671• Houston Fire Department Report 12-0680736• HOUSTON, TX Weather History | Weather underground. (n.d.). https://www.wunderground.com/history/daily/KHOU/date/2012-3-9• Pinkerton, J. (2014, April 5). HPD sergeant fired, 7 other disciplined in murder case probe. Chon. Retrieved May 26, 2025, from https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/HPD-sergeant-fired-7-others-disciplined-in-5377253.php• Pearson, L. (n.d.). Who came up with HPD’s “SL” code that suspended 264K cases? Panel identifies former assistant chief. https://abc13.com/amp/post/houston-police-suspended-cases-what-is-sl-code-lack-of-personnel-donald-mckinney/14822151/• FBI interview with Israel Keyes: 07/10/2012• James E. Lankford. (2011). Peak DB SPL of various Firearms (5 Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm• In J Am Acad Audiology (Vol. 22, pp. 93–103). https://www.caohc.org/UserFiles/fileShot%20of%20Prevention%20extra%20handout.pdf• Miyara, F. (n.d.). A NOTE ON FIRECRACKER’S NOISE. https://www.fceia.unr.edu.ar/acustica/biblio/firecr1.htm• Azele Police Dept Case # 2012-961Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie, Melissa Tracchia.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

A case the team has been looking into for over four years, makes its podcast debut; where a crime in an Israel Keyes hotspot eerily matches a chapter from one of his favorite books.This episode was written, researched, and produced by Michelle Tooker. Additional research, editing, and writing by Josh Hallmark. Research assistance by: Shana Wilensky and Jordan Taylor.  PATREONThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  SPONSORS:Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50offBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBSUncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBCornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSSOURCEShttps://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/unsolved-jeffrey-mitchell-murder-sacramento-17382062.phphttps://www.facebook.com/share/1GyTUQpCYZ/https://www.dailydemocrat.com/2006/10/29/link-between-van-deputy-explored/?clearUserState=truehttps://www.abc10.com/article/news/crime/unsolved-california-wife-of-murdered-deputy-shares-her-hope-for-justice-and-how-she-keeps-jeffrey-mitchells-legacy-alive/103-9e1af8e8-984b-4c1a-b69f-ec7cc64b9e85https://ohp.parks.ca.gov/listedresources/detail/575https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238696800/jeffrey\_vaughn-mitchellhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article2581679.htmlhttps://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sacbee/name/allan-shubert-obituary?id=13658767https://unresolved.me/deputy-jeffrey-mitchellhttps://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/sacramento-county-woman-vanished-2010-homicide-suspect-arrested/https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/sacbee/name/allan-shubert-obituary?id=13658767Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Robin, Carol, H Beth Jones, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

Josh is out sick and snowed in this week. So, in lieu of a new episode, we're sharing the entirety of the July 10, 2012 FBI interview with Keyes - which has been critical in our work this season. Topics include: The Deschutes attack, Keyes's first murder, the victim ruled accidental, his time in the Army, murders on his boat, and more.PATREONThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  SPONSORS:Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50offBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBSUncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSPatreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Dan del Rossi, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.

Josh and the team discuss how Israel Keyes used infrastructure maps to scout, hide and/or bury his caches and victims. This may just be the key to solving his crimes. This episode was written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark.With additional research by Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, and Michelle Tooker.This episode featured Kathy Nation, Jordan Taylor, Michelle Tooker, and Shana Wilensky. PATREONThis is a Studio BOTH/AND production:  www.truecrimebullshit.com / bothand.fyi  For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand  SPONSORS:Factor: Get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year, by using code TCBS50OFF at factor.com/tcbs50offBetterHelp: Get 10% off your first month at www.BetterHelp.com/TCBQuince: Get free shipping at www.Quince.com/TCBSUncommon Goods: Get 15% off at www.UncommonGoods.com/TCBSCornbread Hemp: Get 30% off your first order by using promo code TCBS at www.cornbreadhemp.com/TCBSMusic by: Sonic Yard. Featured music by: The Foundry Field Recordings Patreon producers: Amy Basil, Kendall C., Asch Fish, Heather Horton-Whedon, Sherri D, Kirsten Hoffman, Dale Akstin, Stephanie Taylor, Drew Vipond, Amelia Hancock, Christina Sisson, Nicole & Dennis Henry, Jillian Natale, Lana Halladay, Rural Juror, Tuesdi Woodworth, Kathleen S, Annette L, Casey Jensen-Richardson, SC, Benjamin Cioppa-Fong, Dan del Rossi, Trista, Nichole, Pink, JenJ, Corey D, Robin, Carol, Michelle, Jordan M, Kate Lussier, John Comrie, Kathy Nation, Carrie, Jordan T, Bethany, David Begley, Ally, Lauren Ferri, Chris S, Tori Myers, Sabrina Abbott, Meaghan Daigle, Ashley Kuplin, Michael Randall, DeWayne C, Jen Trocola, Trixie.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

We're pushing out until we return for the holiday break on January 19, with FIVE EXTRA EPISODES. Our initial episode count of 8, increased to 12, and now we know we have more than enough content to put out 17 very strong episodes this season (which means 7 more episodes).Upcoming travel:On January 8th, I'll be in LA with Tooker and Charlie (Crimelines) for a happy hour and meet-up at the Bigfoot Lodge on Los Feliz Blvd from 6-8pm. Stop by and join us for drinks and conversation.Additionally, the trip to Iceland has sold out. But we're working on a second 2026 Trova Trip for those of you wanting something warm, tropical, and closer to home. That announcement will be coming soon.Thanks for your patience, support, and understanding. Have a wonderful holiday season. <3Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh--3588169/support.

For the month of December, True Crime creators are getting together for conversations about podcasting, true crime, and the nexus between the two. We’ll discuss creating our shows, behind-the-scenes moments, fears and hopes, the cases that have gripped us, and more.In this conversation Amanda (Wine & Crime), Charlie (Crimelines), and Josh (True Crime Bullsh**) discuss: friendships in podcasting, war stories from the road, podcast advice, feeling misunderstood, weird purchases, pop culture, and more.Enjoy this conversation and be sure to check out the rest:• Jessie (Love Murder), Bob (Buried), Joshua (Somewhere in the Pines)• Javier (Pretend), Kristen (Murder, She Told), Shaun (Sins & Survivors)• Patrick (True Crime Obsessed), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Eric (True Consequences)• Gillian (True Crime Obsessed), Alvin (Affirmative Murder), Lanie (True Crime Cases with Lanie)• Robin (The Trail Went Cold), Nina (Already Gone), John (Sins & Survivors)• Aaron (Generation Why), Lucy (Wine & Crime), Kristen (Murder, She Told)• Amanda (Wine & Crime), Josh (True Crime Bullsh**), Andie (Love Murder), Charlie (Crimelines)Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/true-crime-bullsh-the-israel-keyes-investigation--3588169/support.