15: The Boy Who Found Shelley

Carol reveals two witness accounts that have never been disclosed to the public before now — including a deathbed confession that may explain how Shelley Watkins' death was covered up. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After years of pushing lawmakers to close the loopholes that Billy Chemirmir used to murder dozens of North Texas seniors, the Texas Legislature takes a final vote on regulations for senior living communities. But are there still cracks in the senior care system? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The story of a fisherman who discovered Shelley Watkins' body in the Trinity River. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A decade after Billy Chemirmir’s killing spree allegedly began, state legislators in Texas are once again considering measures that would close some of the loopholes that allowed him to kill. That, plus more updates to the case since season two ended in December. Connect with the group Secure Our Seniors' Safety at secureourseniorssafety.org, and look up the state lawmakers who represent you at wrm.capitol.texas.gov. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A witness says she saw Shelley Watkins and her husband Jerry Mack screaming and shoving each other at the lake on the day Shelley was murdered. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

E. Ray Andrews has died. In this bonus episode, Carol and Wes explain why E. Ray's passing will unlock a central mystery of the bribery scheme that helped Jerry Mack Watkins go free after the murder of his wife Shelley. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We talk about Jerry Mack's son from a previous relationship, Kay's first husband Dennis, and whether the district attorney will retry Shelley's case in this bonus Q&A episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

DNA from an unknown male was on the materials when Shelley Watkins' body was recovered from the Trinity River. We finally found out what the Sheriff's Office has done with that DNA. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

How many people did Billy Chemirmir actually kill? Will we ever know? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After the shocking mistrial of November 2021, families go back to the courthouse in Dallas. Will justice be served this time? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices