Crypto’s Next Phase: Beyond The 4-Year Cycle

Rob Hadick is a General Partner at Dragonfly.As we enter the new year, we discuss why we all believe crypto is entering its next phase beyond the Bitcoin 4-year halving cycle, as institutional adoption, stablecoins, and real fundamentals reshape the market outlook for 2026.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🛡️ ACCOUNTABLE | THE NEW STANDARD FOR REAL-TIME FINANCIAL VERIFICATION🕛 NOON | THE HIGHEST YIELDING STABLECOIN, BUILT FOR THE LONG TERM⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro1:27 - Background at Dragonfly5:57 - Crypto is moving into the institutional phase13:57 - Crypto’s pivot to fundamentals17:10 - Will the 4-year cycle repeat?22:15 - Outlook for crypto prices in 202627:49 - Opportunity to improve transparency in DeFi yields37:25 - Promise of privacy tech and zero-knowledge41:10 - What Rob got wrong in 202546:48 - Betting on stablecoin growth49:36 - Contrarian bullish ideas for 202653:22 - What’s next for Polymarket and prediction markets?56:59 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Dragonfly website: https://dragonfly.xyz/► Dragonfly on X: https://x.com/dragonfly_xyz► Rob on X: https://x.com/HadickM------Nothing said on The Edge Podcast is a recommendation to buy or sell tokens or securities. This content is for educational and entertainment purposes only. Nothing shared here is financial advice. Any views expressed by hosts or guests on the show are solely their opinions. Always do your own research. DeFi Dad, Nomatic, and guests may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast.

Kaledora Fontana Kiernan-Linn is the CoFounder and CEO of Ostium.In this episode, we learn how Ostium is building a next-gen trading platform on Arbitrum, bringing deep liquidity to asset classes like commodities, equities, indices, and RWAs onchain, while pursuing a unique long-term vision to reinvent CFD-style market access through DeFi.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro and background10:47 - Why work in markets15:06 - Ostium genesis and vision23:31 - Overview of the Ostium platform26:10 - Leverage for different asset classes onchain30:19 - Liquidity challenges39:49 - The 100x opportunity and competitive advantages45:05 - How will Ostium use their $20M Series A50:05 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Ostium website: https://www.ostium.com/► Ostium on X: https://x.com/ostiumlabs► Kaledora on X: https://x.com/kaledora------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Kevin Lepsoe is the Founder of ETHGAS.What if Ethereum could feel instant? In this episode, we explore whether blockspace futures trading could pave the way toward a gasless, real-time Ethereum, and what that would mean for DeFi, MEV, validators, and the broader L2 scaling roadmap.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro2:03 - Kevin’s background7:18 - Why Ethereum9:45 - The vision for ETHGAS10:26 - Understanding real-time Ethereum12:40 - Impact on DeFi protocols like Uniswap21:14 - Supporting the L2 roadmap24:20 - Eliminating MEV and disrupting28:30 - Tradeoffs34:24 - Competition40:06 - Revenue potential and monetization 44:20 - Roadmap and rollout for ETHGAS45:56 - Early partners like ether.fi47:19 - Discussions with EF49:01 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► ETHGAS website: https://ethgas.com/► ETHGAS on X: https://x.com/ethgasofficial► Kevin Lepsoe on X: https://x.com/lepsoe------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad, Nomatic, and Kevin all hold ETH. Since recording, DeFi Dad and Nomatic invested as angels in ETHGAS. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

William Mougayar is an author, entrepreneur, investor, and Ethereum advocate.In this episode, we explore why Ethereum shouldn’t be valued like a stock, but instead understood as a public good infrastructure, more like the Internet valued through the lens of dependence, economic flow, and trust.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro2:10 - William’s background and Ethereum’s genesis6:13 - Sponsor break8:45 - Crypto’s next era will be driven by fundamentals15:31 - Why the Internet is the right valuation comparison23:33 - Why Ethereum should be valued as a public good31:28 - The layers of the Internet vs Ethereum34:19 - How the Internet has been valued39:27 - Valuing Ethereum based on Internet valuation frameworks45:51 - What do we blame ETH’s mispricing on?58:20 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► William's Ethereum report: https://ethmrc.com/the-internets-blueprint-for-ethereum-a-trillion-dollar-public-goods-valuation-framework/► William's blog: https://wamougayar.xyz/► Ethereum Market Research Center on X: https://x.com/ethereum_mrc► William Mougayar on X: https://x.com/wmougayar------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad, Nomatic, and William all hold ETH. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Wojtek Pawlowski and Ioan Moldovan are the CoFounders of Accountable.In this episode, we explore how real-time financial verification could help surface risk earlier across DeFi, CeFi, and even TradFi. The team behind Accountable explains how a new standard in verifiable, privacy-preserving reporting can change the way markets assess solvency, performance, and trust before problems escalate.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro7:38 - Founders’ backgrounds14:38 - The problem with “trust me bro” DeFi23:00 - Building for real-time financial verification25:18 - How Accountable preserves privacy32:53 - Real-time reporting for TradFi40:02 - What is a Data Verification Network?49:07 - Examples of Proof of Solvency dashboards56:42 - Marketplace for verifiable yields 1:00:16 - Live verifiable yield vaults on Accountable1:03:07 - How teams can get started with Accountable1:06:48 - Accountable business model1:08:43 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Accountable website: https://accountable.capital/► Accountable on X: https://x.com/AccountableData► Wojtek on X: https://x.com/VVojtek_P------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. Since recording, DeFi Dad has invested in Accountable. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Nick van Eck is the CoFounder and CEO at Agora.In this episode, Nick explains why he believes stablecoins are entering their "second inning," how enterprises are beginning to adopt stablecoins at scale, and what it actually takes to build payment infrastructure that operates at the speed of the internet.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro4:56 - History of Nick’s family in finance13:15 - Pitching crypto and stablecoins to friends17:39 - Seeing early opportunity in DeFi and stablecoins23:22 - Has crypto lost its magic?26:19 - Where are we in the adoption curve for stablecoins?29:33 - How Agora fits into the payments landscape34:25 - What does Agora actually do for clients37:31 - How Agora clients earn revenue40:05 - How Agora makes money43:07 - Competitors46:57 - Considerations for enterprises launching stablecoins49:04 - Opportunities in the stablecoin boom53:15 - Fundraising54:15 - What’s next55:26 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Agora website: https://www.agora.finance/► Agora on X: https://x.com/agorafinance► Nick on X: https://x.com/nick_van_eck------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Johann Kerbrat is Crypto General Manager at Robinhood.In this episode, we unpack why Robinhood built its own Ethereum L2 and how it plans to power 24/7 markets for tokenized stocks, digital assets, pre-IPO company trading, and the next wave of onchain financial products such as stablecoins and prediction markets.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro7:13 - Johann’s background10:18 - Robinhood leans into DeFi13:50 - The evolution of Robinhood’s services16:36 - Why Robinhood built an Ethereum L2 with Arbitrum24:26 - Sponsor break25:43 - Tokenization will unlock 24/7 markets30:12 - 1000 tokenized stocks trading onchain32:27 - Significance of access to trade pre-IPO companies 37:51 - Regulation remains a big challenge42:47 - Sponsor break44:35 - Advanced trading features46:18 - Robinhood prediction markets48:54 - Could Robinhood offer a token launchpad?50:37 - Stablecoins and the USDG initiative58:06 - Robinhood Ventures invests in Lighter1:02:08 - Could Robinhood ever offer crypto-backed loans?1:04:59 - Robinhood in 5 years1:06:47 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Robinhood website: https://robinhood.com/► Robinhood on X: https://x.com/RobinhoodApp► Johann Kerbrat on X: https://x.com/JohannKerbrat------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. DeFi Dad and Nomatic hold ETH. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

David Schamis is the Founding Partner and CIO of Atlas Merchant Capital and now CEO of Hyperliquid Strategies.In this episode, David breaks down how serious seasoned investors think about valuing Hyperliquid, from the bull case for HYPE to the economics behind running the largest HYPE DAT in the world. We discuss what's unique about Hyperliquid, navigating mNAV dynamics as a DAT , and why Hyperliquid is well positioned to become financial infrastructure for bringing RWAs and Wall Street onchain.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro5:59 - David and Bob Diamond’s careers8:16 - How did they learn about Hyperliquid?14:02 - The bull thesis for valuing HYPE19:57 - Are regulators ready to embrace DeFi?25:04 - Sponsor break26:20 - Growing trade volume in HIP-3 markets30:23 - What is Hyperliquid Strategies?33:11 - Navigating market dynamics with mNAV44:52 - Sponsor break46:39 - Staking considerations for Hyperliquid Strategies49:47 - Operating expenses behind running a DAT52:02 - Merger + new PURR ticker53:26 - Insights into Jeff’s vision58:16 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Hyperliquid Strategies on X: https://x.com/hypestrat► David Schamis on X: https://x.com/dschamis------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. Nomatic holds HYPE. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Omnia is the CoFounder of Kinetiq.In this new episode of Yield Talks on The Edge Podcast, we dive into an overview of HIP-3 markets, Kinetiq’s token launch tomorrow, and what a Hyperliquid builder might speculate on happening next, following the upcoming one year anniversary of the HYPE airdrop.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🔊 DECIBEL | THE NEW SOUND OF TRADING🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro4:32 - What is Kinetiq?6:21 - Overview of HIP-39:19 - How will HIP-3 markets differentiate?16:15 - Who is trading HIP-3 markets?19:54 - Sponsor break21:12 - What else is Kinetiq building?25:47 - Importance of KNTQ launch28:20 - Why expand beyond liquid staking?33:42 - What should Hyperliquid bulls be paying attention to?39:43 - Sponsor break41:31 - Hyperliquid ecosystem maturing43:56 - Thoughts on upcoming team unlocks for HYPE53:22 - Will there be a new points program or token burn for HL?59:30 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Kinetiq website: https://kinetiq.xyz/► Kinetiq on X: https://x.com/kinetiq_xyz► Omnia on X: https://x.com/0xOmnia------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. Nomatic and DeFi Dad are angel investors in Kinetiq. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.

Sid Ramesh is the Product Lead for Crypto-Backed Loans at Coinbase.In this episode, we explore Coinbase's newly launched product for ETH-backed loans, built entirely on Ethereum DeFi using Morpho on Base. We unpack exactly how these loans work, why they matter, and what this means for the future of onchain loans. Sid Ramesh brings an insider view into Coinbase’s broader vision for permissionless financial products built on decentralized infrastructure like Ethereum.------🔗 Essential Show Links 🔗► Newsletter: https://the-edge.xyz► Youtube: https://youtube.com/@DeFiDad► Apple: https://tinyurl.com/edgepod► Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/edgepodspotify► Linktree: https://linktr.ee/edge_pod► Follow DeFi Dad: https://x.com/DeFi_Dad► Follow Nomatic: https://x.com/Nomaticcap► Learn DeFi: http://defidad.com/------The Edge Podcast Sponsor Resources♦️ REDSTONE | THE LEADING MODULAR BLOCKCHAIN ORACLE♉︎ TOROS | EXPONENTIAL GAINS WITH LEVERAGED TOKENS🌅 NEUTRL | THE NEXT GENERATION OF CRYPTO-NATIVE YIELD🌞 SOLSTICE | PERMISSIONLESS INSTITUTIONAL YIELD⚔️ KATANA | DEEP LIQUIDITY & REAL YIELD🥞 SYRUPUSDC BY MAPLE | DEFI'S PREMIUM YIELD ASSET🏦 MANTLE | INNOVATING THE FUTURE OF ONCHAIN FINANCE🐡 PUFFER INSTITUTIONAL | STAKING SOLUTIONS FOR SCALE🌊 RIVER | A CHAIN-ABSTRACTION STABLECOIN SYSTEM⚙️ GEARBOX PROTOCOL | ONCHAIN LENDING REIMAGINED------Timestamps0:00 - Intro7:15 - Understanding the DeFi mullet concept9:10 - Benefits of Coinbase’s BTC-backed loans11:25 - The utility of cbBTC14:36 - Comparing DeFi-powered loans to TradFi loans17:46 - Coinbase loans vs failed platforms of prior cycles20:03 - Sponsor break21:18 - Coinbase launches new ETH-backed loans22:55 - Starting with ETH, but cbETH-backed loans soon23:58 - 3 major benefits of ease, cost, and support28:41 - Expanding to more collateral types in future30:58 - Security and risks with Coinbase loans33:44 - Why Coinbase builds on the Ethereum L2, Base 35:40 - Sponsor break36:59 - Success of BTC-backed loans at Coinbase39:28 - Use cases for Coinbase loans42:12 - No repayment schedule44:22 - Future of onchain lending and financial products47:53 - Coinbase’s vision for “the everything exchange”50:20 - Closing------🔗 Guest Links 🔗► Coinbase ETH-backed loans: https://www.coinbase.com/borrow► Coinbase on X: https://x.com/coinbase► Sid Ramesh on X: https://x.com/sidrmsh------All opinions expressed by hosts and podcast guests are solely their own opinions. Podcast guests and hosts may have positions in the assets or other matters discussed in this podcast. Nomatic holds COIN while DeFi Dad and Nomatic both hold ETH. This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Do your own research. This is not a recommendation or endorsement to buy any token(s) related to any platform(s) discussed.