CSCP S4EP10 - David Matousek - Will Ai replace Product Security? automation vs experteese

  This episode features guest Izar Tarandach, a seasoned security architect with extensive experience in application security, cloud security, and the development of comprehensive security frameworks. Our discussion navigates through the latest trends in application security, the pivotal role of DevSecOps, and the strategic integration of security practices within modern business environments. Sponsored by Phoenix Security: This episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security, leaders in vulnerability management from code to cloud. Take control of your security with Phoenix and see firsthand how to prioritize and act on critical vulnerabilities with a free 14-day license available at Phoenix Security - Request a Demo. As our conversation progresses, we turn our focus to the critical issue of third-party risk in software development. Aizhar and I examine how high-profile cases have shone a light on the vulnerabilities in the software supply chain and the urgent need for developers to embrace secure coding practices. We discuss the shift toward a security-centric development culture and the importance of establishing business-driven security objectives and realistic service level agreements. Tune in to hear our insights on how the industry is moving beyond the quest for a silver bullet in security tools to a more robust approach that ingrains security into the core responsibilities of developers. In our final chapter, Aizhar and I tackle the delicate balance between ethics, regulation, and business imperatives in cybersecurity. We delve into how regulations can drive security priorities, the risk of a false sense of security, and the vital role of threat modeling in the software development lifecycle. Our discussion highlights the need for a holistic approach that merges the foresight provided by threat modeling with adherence to regulations, fostering a security-conscious culture across all industries. Don't miss this engaging episode where we dissect the evolution of threat modeling and its integral role in protecting our digital world. What's Inside This Episode: 00:02 - Introduction to Cybersecurity and Cloud Podcast: Francesco introduces the series and outlines what listeners can expect from this enlightening episode. 00:53 - Greetings and New Developments in Threat Modeling: Discover the latest advancements in threat modeling and their implications for cybersecurity. 01:35 - Introducing Izar Tarandach: Learn about Izar's journey and his significant contributions to the field of security architecture. 02:09 - Recent Trends in Application Security: A detailed discussion on the transformation in application security spurred by innovations in cloud technology. 02:54 - Challenges Facing Today's CISOs: Insight into the pressures and challenges CISOs face with rising security stakes. 03:30 - Reevaluating Security Protocols: We analyze how traditional security protocols are being reshaped in today's tech landscape. 04:49 - The Role of DevSecOps: Understanding the integration of security into DevOps practices and its impact on software development. 05:47 - Concept of "Shift Everywhere": Izar critiques the broad application of the "shift everywhere" concept within security strategies. 06:56 - The Evolution of Security Integration: Discussion on how security is becoming embedded in all phases of product development. 08:13 - The Dilemma of Security Buzzwords: Evaluating how new security terminologies affect industry focus and policy development. 09:28 - The Realistic View of Security Practice: A candid look at the progression from idealistic to pragmatic approaches in security practices. 11:25 - Addressing Third-Party Risks: Examination of third-party risks and their impact on the software supply chain. 13:28 - Third-Party Risk Management: A Case Study: Insights from high-profile cases highlighting the importance of managing third-party vulnerabilities. 15:23 - Integrating Security into Business Objectives: How organizations are embedding security objectives into business strategies. 16:47 - Seeking Solutions in Security: A shift from seeking singular security solutions to adopting comprehensive, integrated approaches. 18:18 - Advocating for Risk-Based Approaches: The importance of adopting risk-based strategies over traditional security measures. 19:44 - Educating Developers on Security Importance: The critical role of educating developers on security as a fundamental aspect of software development. Sponsored by Phoenix Security: This episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security, leaders in vulnerability management from code to cloud. Take control of your security with Phoenix and see firsthand how to prioritize and act on critical vulnerabilities with a free 14-day license available at Phoenix Security - Request a Demo. Don't Miss This Engaging Discussion on Cybersecurity Trends and Strategies: Tune into this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the ever-changing landscape of cybersecurity. Whether you're a professional in the field, a business leader, or just keen on enhancing your cybersecurity awareness, this episode is packed with valuable information to help you understand the nuances of securing applications and infrastructures in a digitally-driven world. Izar Tarandach Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/izartarandach/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/izar_t?lang=en-GB  Books: https://www.oreilly.com/pub/au/7898  Github: https://github.com/izar  Threat Modelling Con: https://www.threatmodelingconnect.com/general-discussion-32/i-m-izar-tarandach-and-if-you-have-questions-i-may-have-answers-148  Speaker profile: https://conferences.oreilly.com/software-architecture/sa-ny-2019/public/schedule/speaker/324717.html    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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A dev perspective on application security: Dive deep into the pivotal nexus of cybersecurity, application security, and software development in our latest podcast episode featuring Josh Goldberg, a renowned figure in the TypeScript ecosystem. This episode sheds light on the evolving realm of secure coding practices, acknowledging the progress achieved while recognizing the challenges that lie ahead. Join us as we unravel the nuanced role of artificial intelligence in software development, moving beyond the hype to establish grounded expectations for this sophisticated tool. The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence.   Our discussion ventures into the dynamic landscape of the tech job market, sparking a thought-provoking debate on the value of junior versus senior developers in building a resilient digital future. We also underscore the critical role of checklists in enhancing product development, inspired by insights from "The Checklist Manifesto." By integrating accessibility audits and security consultations, we reveal how checklists can transform development processes, ensuring products are secure and accessible from the start. The conversation extends to the cutting-edge application of AI in threat modeling, highlighting the importance of strategic objectives that place security and accessibility at the forefront. We further explore the essential art of communication within organizations and its pivotal role in seamless security integration. This dialogue emphasizes the significance of leadership in cultivating an environment where trust and verification coalesce, promoting a culture of thorough security checks and balances. As we dissect the concept of Service Level Agreements (SLAs), our discussion illuminates their dual function as both security mechanisms and corporate assurances, advocating for the early adoption of security measures in business strategies. Experience firsthand how security features, like multi-factor authentication, can serve not just as protective measures but as compelling marketing and product differentiators. Don't miss this enriching conversation that bridges the gap between cybersecurity practices and software development, offering invaluable insights for professionals navigating the intricate landscape of tech innovation.   Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. 00:02: Introduction and sponsorship message from Phoenix Security Limited. 00:53: Welcoming Josh Goldberg, an open source advocate in the TypeScript ecosystem, to the podcast. 01:37: Josh shares his journey into enhancing software quality and security through open-source contributions. 02:01: Analyzing the current landscape of application security and the ongoing challenges for developers. 03:20: The potential of artificial intelligence in revolutionizing secure code practices and its limitations. 04:28: Addressing the scarcity of developer resources and the impact on application security. 07:21: Strategies for integrating essential security practices into development teams with constrained resources. 10:13: Emphasizing the importance of establishing measurable success metrics in secure software development. 13:02: The imperative of fostering effective communication between security and development teams for a robust security posture. 18:08: Discussing the evolution of security tools and the significance of early integration in the development process (Shift Left). 21:32: The role of risk management in aligning business objectives with security imperatives. 25:04: Expressing optimism for the future of tech with advancements in tools and platforms facilitating better security integration. 32:35: Josh's parting thoughts on leveraging ESLint plugins for vulnerability detection and the hopeful reduction of common security flaws. 36:00: Conclusion of the conversation with a focus on the collective progress in cybersecurity and application development. 38:10: Final words from Francesco Cipollone, encouraging listeners to engage with security within their development practices. Josh Goldberg Hi, I’m Josh! I’m an independent full time open source developer. I work on projects in the TypeScript ecosystem, most notably typescript-eslint: the tooling that enables ESLint and Prettier to run on TypeScript code. I’m also the author of the O’Reilly Learning TypeScript book, a Microsoft MVP for developer technologies, and an active conference speaker. My personal projects range from static analysis to meta-languages to recreating retro games in the browser. Also cats. Connect with Josh [bsky / GitHub / Mastodon / Twitter / Twitch / www] Josh is an independent open source developer and so have no company logos. If you really need one, the main project I help maintain is https://typescript-eslint.    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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What does it take to get into application security from pentesting? Will AI replace the role of product security? How do you start an application security program and write a book about it?    Join us on the Cybersecurity and Cloud Podcast as we welcome the insightful Raj Umadas, head of InfoSec at Ackblue, for a vibrant discussion on the varied pathways into the field of application security. Listen in as Raj shares his unique journey from networking to the realms of software and hardware design, ultimately leading to his passion for security. We debate whether a background in pentesting is a must for app sec success or if one can climb the ranks from the blue team, all while emphasizing the significance of team diversity over homogeneity. The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence. Venture into the world of risk assessment and pen testing with us, where we unpack the complexities of cybersecurity through the lens of protective controls and real-world testing experiences. Hear about my time at leading companies like Etsy, Squarespace, and Spotify, where I tackled the balancing act of risk, remediation, and resource allocation. This chapter casts a spotlight on the intricate dance between security leaders and CISOs, underlining the necessity of clear communication and the advantage of technical savvy in these pivotal roles. Finally, tune in as we discuss the ever-evolving role of the CISO and the rise of the DevSecOps culture within the tech industry. Reflect with us on the historical context of software development and how it's transformed into an ongoing nurturing process, necessitating a fusion of development, operations, and security expertise. We also navigate the challenges of regulatory frameworks in the wake of monumental security breaches, fostering a conversation on how industry leaders and regulatory bodies can work together towards safer development practices. Don't miss out on these captivating insights with Raj Umadas as we navigate the ever-changing cybersecurity landscape.   Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. 00:02: Introduction and sponsorship message from Phoenix Security Limited. 00:53: Welcoming Rajendra Umadas to the show; background introduction. 01:25: Rajendra's journey into cybersecurity. 04:12: Discussion on application security and team building. 07:33: Exploring product security and its impact. 13:32: Navigating the challenges of risk management and pen testing. 18:00: The evolving landscape of software and hardware security. 25:21: DevSecOps and the future of cybersecurity. 36:01: Closing thoughts on the progression of cybersecurity and its positive outlook. 38:10: Final advertisement and call to action for listeners.   Raj Umadas Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rajumadas/    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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Will AI replace the role of product security? How do you start an application security program and write a book about it? One of the best Application Security mind Derek Fisher is with us today.   Join us on a captivating journey as Derek, a mastermind in product security and a prolific author, shares his expertise on setting up a fortified application security program. We start by unraveling the critical first steps, emphasizing the value of understanding your organization's current cybersecurity landscape and the unique risks it faces. Listen in as we discuss the significance of collaboration between security and engineering teams to pinpoint vulnerabilities and fortify our digital defenses. The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence. In our thought-provoking conversation, we tackle the concept of product ownership and the dynamic nature of risk assessment. Derek enlightens us on the challenges of aligning business acumen with technological realities in the context of application security. We also engage in a spirited debate about the various forms of code analysis and the significance of exploitability in the management of risk. It's a discussion that balances the technical intricacies with strategic insights, essential for anyone invested in securing their products. Shifting gears, we explore the innovative realm of 'shifting smart' in application security, moving beyond the traditional 'shift left' paradigm. Discover the benefits and limitations of integrating security tools early in the development cycle and the vital role dynamic environments play in unearthing actionable vulnerabilities. Wrapping up, we delve into the exciting and complex intersection of AI and cybersecurity, pondering the dual-edged sword of advanced technologies like generative AI. Derek offers a nuanced perspective on the future of secure coding and vulnerability management, a must-listen for anyone navigating the evolving cybersecurity landscape.   Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. 00:02: Introduction to Cybersecurity and Cloud Podcast 00:55: The Essence of Application Security Programs 02:19: Journey to Authoring on Application Security 02:38: Building a Robust Application Security Program 03:36: Application Security: A Collaborative Effort 04:22: Assessment and Direction in Application Security Programs 06:52: The Role of Software Bill of Materials (SBOM) in Cybersecurity 09:32: Defining a Product in the Context of Application Security 13:23: Enhancing Software Security Supply Chain Visibility 15:35: Understanding Product Risks and Vulnerability Management 18:31: Evolving Application Security Techniques: SAST, DAST, RASP 27:32: AI's Role in Application Security and Beyond 25:07: Encouraging Secure Online Practices Among Young Users 30:33: The Future of AI in Cybersecurity 32:33: Closing Thoughts and Positive Outlook for Cybersecurity Professionals   Derek Fisher Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/derek-fisher-sec-arch/  Application Security Program Handbook: A Guide for Software Engineers and Team Leadershttps://www.amazon.co.uk/Application-Security-Program-Handbook-Engineers/dp/163343981X   Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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Will AI replace the role of product security? This is an enlightening conversation with David Matousek exploring the intersection between automation and product security in application security. Join us on this enlightening journey with David Matousek, as we explore the intriguing world of product security within the cybersecurity realm. Listen in as David, with his wealth of experience transitioning from a technical developer to a product director, unveils the significance of perceiving application security as an enterprise-level product.    The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence. Discover how this approach not only streamlines the development process but also cultivates a customer-centric mindset towards developers, leading to a more cohesive and less cumbersome compliance environment. David's insights provide a fascinating perspective on the symbiotic relationship between security and platform teams, paving the way for a more secure and efficient path to application production. Venture further into the cybersecurity landscape as we tackle the complexities of vulnerability prioritization and the evolution of network security. Our discussion with David delves into the nuanced balance of automated and manual processes in identifying and managing security risks, highlighting the irreplaceable value of human expertise amidst the rise of machine learning and AI. Emphasizing the importance of multi-faceted developer skills, including communication and collaboration, we shed light on how these abilities can significantly enhance an organization's security posture. So, gear up for a session that not only broadens your understanding of cybersecurity but also inspires professional growth in this dynamic field.   Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. 00:02: Introduction to Cybersecurity and Cloud Podcast 00:57: Unraveling Product vs. Application Concepts 01:43: David Matousek's Journey in Cybersecurity 04:04: Transition to Product Security 07:02: Embedding Security in Development Tools 09:14: Evolution from Application to Product Security 11:53: Managing Vulnerabilities at Scale 14:43: Promoting a Culture of Shareable Code 17:00: Balancing Automation and Manual Security Practices 19:51: Dependency Management and Security Context 22:53: Communicating Cybersecurity Value to Business   David Matousek Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmatousek/   Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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  This is an enlightening conversation with Michael Smith exploring the intersection between vulnerabilities, DDoS and WAF technologies.  Join us as we reconvene with cybersecurity virtuoso Michael Smith, Field CTO at Verkara, for a rerecording further to explore the fascinating intersection of cybersecurity and cloud technology. Listen in as Michael brings his wealth of experience from military intelligence to web application development to the table, shedding light on how engineering and integration teams navigate regulations and government sector compliance.   The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence. Our conversation ventures into the complexities of application security and the strategic utilization of vulnerabilities. Venture into the murky waters of cyberattacks with us as we discuss how vulnerabilities can be harnessed for DDoS attacks, causing chaos at both the network and application layers. Hear about Phoenix Security Limited's role in software security and how unvalidated pagination can be exploited to strain databases and servers. We wrap up this segment by contrasting the precision of these attacks with broader network-level DDoS strategies, offering insight into crafting robust cybersecurity defenses. Cap off this episode with a crucial discussion on the ethical dimensions of technology. Discover the challenges of differentiating between benign and malicious bot activity, and how technologies like domain fronting have dual purposes. We stress the importance of vigilance and responsibility in the tech sphere, where the same tools can secure or compromise systems. Remember to stay engaged with the content by checking your logs for anomalies and sharing your thoughts for a chance to win an Amazon gift card. Michael's insights are a reminder of the persistent evolution and nuanced nature of cybersecurity in our interconnected world.   Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity. 00:02: Introduction to Cybersecurity and Cloud Podcast 00:53: Host and Guest Introduction 01:40: Michael Smith's Journey in Cybersecurity 03:23: Shift Towards Security 04:22: The Evolution of Cybersecurity Roles 06:58: Challenges in IoT and Hardware Security 08:22: Insights from Akamai and Handling Major Incidents 09:58: The Evolution of Cybersecurity Threats 11:35: The Current State of Cybersecurity 14:49: The Future of Cybersecurity and Emerging Threats 17:22: Leveraging Vulnerabilities for DDoS Attacks 22:51: Addressing Sophisticated Cybersecurity Threats 26:27: Advanced Cybersecurity Techniques and Challenges 29:00: The Importance of Collaboration in Cybersecurity 33:58: Closing Thoughts and Positive Takeaways 39:01: Outro and Acknowledgments   Micahel Smith Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rybolov/    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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  This is an enlighting conversation with Jay Jacobs  - Exploring the Future of Vulnerability Management and Data Science Unlock the secrets of cybersecurity's intricate dance with data science as I, Francesco Cipollone, sit down with tech wizard J Jacobs, co-founder of Cyanthia. Prepare to be captivated by J's inspiring tech odyssey, from his youthful fascination with computing to his trailblazing efforts in quantifying cyber risk. We navigate his professional voyage, spanning IT, pen testing and cryptography, revealing how his deep dive into data science has revolutionized our approach to cyber threats. J also imparts his wisdom on the crucial role of statistics and key management in cryptography, offering priceless insights for anyone invested in fortifying their digital defenses.   The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence.   The journey of vulnerability assessment tools takes center stage as I recount the sophisticated evolution of the Exploit Prediction Scoring System (EPSS). From its humble beginnings as a logistic regression to becoming a powerful API, EPSS serves as a beacon for security professionals looking to quantify the once nebulous concept of risk. The discussion illuminates the delicate dance between utility and data privacy, the quest for a universal risk score, and the aspirational future of EPSS, incorporating additional variables to refine its predictive precision. Finally, J and I tackle the real-world implications of vulnerability management through the lens of EPSS. We dissect the interplay between EPSS scores and CVSS ratings, using the Log4Shell incident to emphasize the critical need for broader threat intelligence. By acknowledging the system's limitations and the nuances within open-source vulnerability analysis, we champion the importance of narrative in data interpretation. With a call to action, we invite the cybersecurity community to join forces, enhancing our collective defense through dialogue and open-source innovation.   Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity.   (03:41 - 04:47) Exploring Cryptography and Managing Key Security (66 Seconds) (07:41 - 08:52) Epss (71 Seconds) (11:46 - 12:56) The Beauty of EPSS and Application Security Angle (70 Seconds) (18:02 - 19:16) Exploring EPSS Scores and Vulnerabilities (74 Seconds) (25:27 - 27:09) EPSS and Its Challenges in AppSec (102 Seconds) (31:03 - 32:04) Improving Scanning Tools and Analyzing Vulnerabilities (62 Seconds)   Jay Jacobs Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayjacobs1/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/jayjacobs  Cyentia: https://twitter.com/cyentiainst  EPSS: https://www.first.org/epss/#:~:text=The%20Exploit%20Prediction%20Scoring%20System,be%20exploited%20in%20the%20wild.  YL Profile: https://www.ylventures.com/people/caleb-sima/    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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  This is an enlighting conversation with Caleb Sima a returning guest on the podcast - Bridging Offense and Defense in Cybersecurity and AI Promise for the Future. Join us for the return of an esteemed guest, Caleb, for an engaging conversation with cybersecurity veteran Caleb Sima on our latest podcast episode. Caleb, known for his significant contributions to application security and executive roles in leading tech companies, shares his profound insights into the ever-changing world of cybersecurity. He highlights the importance of mastering offensive skills for effective defence, drawing on his vast experience to advocate for a mindset that aligns with understanding and countering attackers.   The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence.   This episode also delves into the critical foundations of cybersecurity, emphasizing the need for a broad spectrum of knowledge, including networking, engineering, and programming. We explore building securely, drawing insightful parallels between everyday safety mechanisms and the integrated security required in organizational infrastructures. Through this discussion, we uncover how intuitive security measures, akin to those in vehicles or smartphones like iPhones, can be mirrored in the seamless security systems within companies. We further discuss the transformational challenges facing security professionals, evolving from defenders to builders, and the vital role of education in this paradigm shift. It's a thought-provoking exploration of proactive and resilient security approaches to enhance user experience without compromising on protection. Tune in to this enlightening episode to equip yourself with the knowledge and insights needed to navigate the evolving landscape of cybersecurity.   01:40 - Caleb Sima: Caleb shares his extensive background in cybersecurity, beginning in the 90s and spanning various roles and accomplishments. 03:34 - Francesco Cipollone: Discussion on the evolving landscape of cybersecurity and its implications for newcomers to the field. 04:19 - Caleb Sima: Caleb's advice to newcomers in cybersecurity emphasises the importance of understanding offensive security and mastering foundational knowledge. 07:44 - Francesco Cipollone: Francesco reflects on Caleb's approach, discussing the potential biases and the importance of a foundational understanding. 08:12 - Caleb Sima: Caleb underscores the necessity of understanding attacks to identify fundamental security problems and prioritize risks. 10:50 - Caleb Sima: Insight into the relationship between effective security foundations, risk management, and compliance. 11:27 - Francesco Cipollone: A discussion on the concepts of security and safety and their interchangeability. 11:39 - Caleb Sima: Caleb's perspective on transitioning from a focus on security to a broader concept of safety. 16:21 - Caleb Sima: The importance of minimizing damage in security incidents and the need for balanced approaches in threat identification, detection, and response. 17:15 - Caleb Sima: The role of security in organizational decision-making and the importance of integrating security from project inception.   21:11 - Francesco Cipollone: Highlighting the shift in security perspectives and the importance of proactive approaches to cybersecurity. 23:04 - Caleb Sima: Caleb discusses the gaps in awareness and knowledge within security teams and the importance of prioritizing security measures. 24:15 - Caleb Sima: Exploring the role of technology in building security foundations and the potential of AI and ML in addressing security challenges. 27:59 - Francesco Cipollone: Reflections on the cultural shift and the growing emphasis on collective responsibility in security. 29:53 - Caleb Sima: Caleb's categorization of AI's role in cybersecurity, focusing on securing AI technologies and utilizing AI to solve cybersecurity challenges. 34:18 - Francesco Cipollone: Discussion on protecting data from AI systems and considerations in data usage and monetization. 36:00 - Caleb Sima: Caleb speculates on the future of data usage restrictions and their potential impact on the internet landscape. 37:13 - Caleb Sima: Caleb concludes with a positive outlook on the growth of talent and knowledge in cybersecurity and the importance of ongoing education and awareness.   Caleb Sima Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/calebsima/  Twitter: https://twitter.com/csima Other: https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna6713649  Blog: https://medium.com/csima/from-founder-to-ciso-my-unconventional-journey-and-the-road-ahead-2fbc262a59be  YL Profile: https://www.ylventures.com/people/caleb-sima/    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/35703565/admin/  
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  Overcoming the Cybersecurity Talent Shortage: Innovation, Culture, and Self-Care with Jitendra Arora Join us for a transformative discussion with Jitendra Arora, the non-South Europe CISO at Deloitte, as we unravel the narrative around the talent shortage in cybersecurity. Jitendra brings a fresh perspective that emphasizes the need for creativity and open-mindedness in talent sourcing. We dissect the "buy versus build" model, where he advocates for nurturing and developing skills in individuals from diverse backgrounds, not just hiring seasoned professionals.   The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence.   Our second chapter addresses the art of fostering a positive organizational culture. We share experiences and insights about the daily efforts required to build a values-based culture, especially during challenging times like the pandemic. Our conversation evolved to discuss the role of a supportive work environment in attracting and retaining talent. Lastly, we explore the essence of self-care and personal development in the high-stress world of cybersecurity. Our discourse underscores the need for balance and provides useful tips on handling stress, offering a refreshing look at life in the cybersecurity field. Tune in for a meaningful conversation that goes beyond the usual.   00:02 - Ads and Introduction: Introduction to the podcast, sponsored by Phoenix Security Limited. 00:59 - Host Introduction: Host Francesco Cipollone introduces the episode's focus on team and skill growth in cybersecurity. 01:38 - Guest Introduction: Jitendra Arora discusses his cybersecurity background and industry insights. 02:51 - Industry Challenges: Discussion about the talent shortage in cybersecurity. 06:23 - Addressing Talent Shortage: Emphasizing innovative hiring and the value of diverse backgrounds. 09:44 - Academia Engagement: Importance of connecting with students and teaching resilience. 12:07 - Supportive Work Culture: Developing a nurturing work environment in cybersecurity. 16:03 - Advertisement Break: Promotional segment for Phoenix Security Limited. 16:44 - Talent Retention: The role of workplace culture in attracting and retaining cybersecurity talent. 18:54 - Leader's Role: Leaders fostering a positive and supportive workplace in cybersecurity.   Jitender Arora Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jarora/    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ You can listen to this podcast on your favourite player: Itunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-cyber-security-cloud-podcast-cscp/id1516316463  
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  Get ready to embark on a captivating journey into application security with our guest, Chris Ghigliotty, Director of Security Engineering at JustWorks. A man of many talents, Chris hails from a background in teaching and writing, which lends him a unique perspective on the importance of communication within the cybersecurity industry. We promise you this isn't your regular security conversation. We are tearing down the walls of complexity, transforming intricate risk language into digestible business matters.   The episode is brought to you by Phoenix Security; get in control of your vulnerabilities from code to cloud with the power of Phoenix. ACT Now on the most important vulnerabilities and reduce your exposure to modern attacks. See it for yourself. Go to https://phoenix.security/request-a-demo/ for a free 14-day licence.   As we navigate through the intricacies of building an application security program, we assure you, no stone will be left unturned. Learn how to control the narrative, comprehend your company's current state and engage with your customers in a meaningful manner. This isn't just another industry podcast; we're here to show you how to demonstrate the program's inherent value, approach investment strategically, and champion ROI as the lifeline of your security program. We've got a powerhouse of insights lined up, especially on program effectiveness, measured in terms of training developers to make security decisions. Drawing the curtains on this episode, we shift gears to focus on the impact of developer training on security. We'll help you identify training outcomes and integrate them into your development process. Our discourse deep-dives into the value of security in products, with special attention to user experience and security features as product differentiators. Remember, folks, curiosity is the key that unlocks the door to the security industry for new generations. So, join us, and let's make security not just a necessity, but a narrative that everyone can understand and appreciate.   00:59 - Christian Ghigliotty's Introduction: Francesco introduces Christian Ghigliotty, spotlighting his expertise in application security and transformation. 01:55 - Background in Cybersecurity: Christian shares his journey into cybersecurity, culminating in his current role at JustWorks, where he oversees application security and posture management. 02:22 - Entry into Cybersecurity: Christian's unconventional path into cybersecurity highlights the diverse skill sets valuable in application security. 03:56 - Communication in Application Security: The importance of effective communication in application security, essential for explaining complex security concepts and gaining organizational buy-in. 04:55 - Overcoming Communication Challenges: Addressing the challenge of making technical application security topics accessible and understandable to non-technical stakeholders. 06:14 - Storytelling in Security: The critical role of narrative in application security to justify security measures, investments, and posture management strategies. 08:00 - Establishing an Application Security Program: Key considerations in starting an application security program, including understanding organizational needs and aligning with business strategies. 09:45 - Investment in Application Security: Long-term investment perspective in application security and posture management, emphasizing the need for measurable returns and strategic alignment with business goals. 11:22 - Measuring Program Effectiveness: The challenge of quantifying the effectiveness of application security programs and the role of developer training in enhancing security posture. 14:45 - Sponsor Message: Phoenix Security, focusing on software security and supply chain visibility. 15:27 - Developer Empowerment in Security: Strategies for empowering developers to prioritize application security in their work, highlighting the importance of business support for security initiatives. 17:00 - Building Development Team Relationships: The significance of fostering strong relationships with development teams to create a culture that values application security and good security posture. 19:24 - Tailoring Security to Teams: Customizing application security approaches to meet the unique challenges and needs of different development teams. 21:40 - Business Buy-In for Security: Exploring effective strategies to secure business buy-in for application security programs and discussing relevant metrics for measuring success. 23:05 - Product Metrics in Application Security: Using product metrics to evaluate the impact of security features on application security and posture management. 25:25 - Enhancing User Experience: Improving user experience in security measures to ensure better adherence to security protocols in application development. 27:17 - Security as a Differentiator: Discussing the potential of positioning application security as a unique selling point, enhancing customer trust and product value. 29:01 - Closing Remarks: Christian shares an optimistic outlook on the future of application security and encourages new talent to join the field. 30:14 - Contact Information: How to find more about Christian Ghigliotty's work in application security.   Christian Ghigliotty Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ghigliottyc  Github: https://github.com/ghigliottyc    Cyber Security and Cloud Podcast hosted by Francesco Cipollone Twitter @FrankSEC42 Linkedin: linkedin.com/in/fracipo  #CSCP #cybermentoringmonday cybercloudpodcast.com    Social Media Links  Follow us on social media to get the latest episodes: Website: http://www.cybercloudpodcast.com/ You can listen to this podcast on your favourite player: Itunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-cyber-security-cloud-podcast-cscp/id1516316463  
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